OT: “green plans” what happened to reduce reuse recycle? - Page 4
Close
Login to Your Account
Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234
Results 61 to 73 of 73
  1. #61
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Country
    UNITED STATES MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS
    Posts
    8,253
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    4018

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Deal View Post
    And given the current trajectory these cultures will cease to exist in 50 years or so. How is significant negative population growth good?
    You gotta be kidding ? 100 years ago there were a billion people on the planet. Now there's more than seven. Civilization existed nicely for the six or seven thousand years prior to this increase.

    Humans and society would probably survive a significant decrease. If not, we're too dumb to deserve to exist.

  2. #62
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Michigan
    Posts
    13,862
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    4725
    Likes (Received)
    4988

    Default

    if some people had to figure out how to make drinking water out of rainwater Or had to walk a mile to get some food many would just die... RE: we're too dumb to deserve to exist? I think we are getting pretty darn close.

    and we are not even smart enough to realize that wars are dangerous.

    Most people won't even have a sexual orientation selection choice when they are dead.

  3. Likes CalG liked this post
  4. #63
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    West Unity, Ohio
    Posts
    27,548
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    7899
    Likes (Received)
    9663

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    if some people had to figure out how to make drinking water out of rainwater Or had to walk a mile to get some food many would just die... we're too dumb to deserve to exist? I think we are getting pretty darn close.

    and we are not even smart enough to realize that wars are dangerous.


    Well, we could prolly skin out a buck, or maybe even run a trout line?


    -----------------------

    Think Snow Eh!
    Ox

  5. #64
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Country
    UNITED STATES MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS
    Posts
    8,253
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    4018

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    Well, we could prolly skin out a buck ...
    What happens when there's 4,000 deer per acre ?

  6. #65
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Michigan
    Posts
    13,862
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    4725
    Likes (Received)
    4988

    Default

    My car is down for a transmission replacement and Janie was busy doing other things so I rode my bike to the bus stop over a mile away, paid senior bus rate of >50 cents..Then walked 2.7 miles each way to my son's home, and did some repair work restoring two bad shape doors to look like new for a full day from 12:00 to 8:00. Then did the same trip back to my house. I know a lot of 30-year-olds who would not do the same. I know, I could have taken a uber for 30 bucks or so.

    I could live in the bush, but it would be very tough at first. Even though I have a wood and propane heat bush cabin starting off in the winter would be hard..currently, I am making a survival water system for our Candian fish camp., For if we are ever allowed back into Canada..

    After a big war, there would not be much safe bush left, and Michigan may be too radioactive to live in.

    A lot of city garbage companies are sorting garbage and finding enough good stuff to pay the help and make some bucks. One outfit in Florida said they find near enough real money and metals to pay for the labor costs.

  7. #66
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Location
    St Louis
    Posts
    19,334
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    2404
    Likes (Received)
    3662

    Default

    Don't know about your location, but our recycling program makes enough money to continue and almost pay for itself. Most of the stuff gets sold to places that want it. They pay because they use the material.

    People are always talking about the loads that are landfilled coming from recycling places. They want you to think nothing is really recycled, that it is all a lie and hoax.

    They never tell you that they themselves are the idiots that cause that problem.

    Loads get landfilled when some idiot who does not care tosses his garbage into the recycling bin, so that it contaminates the whole load. Or puts everything in plastic bags, or tosses in plastic bags, which cannot be sorted and recycled by the normal methods. And then there are the folks who "wish-cycle", throwing in a bunch of non-recycleable stuff that they think "ought to be fine".

    THOSE are some of the reasons why loads have to be trashed. The rest is just a bunch of nonsense intended to make you stop bothering, because the folks spouting the BS hate recycling for some reason, usually political. Probably they are actually putting the trash in the recycling bin themselves.

  8. #67
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Michigan, USA
    Posts
    3,887
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    3491
    Likes (Received)
    2369

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    Here is a good green plan..Knock down all the houses and then rebuild all to be facing, and just the right angle to the sun for solar.

    I know by the time we make payback humans will be extinct.. but who cares it is the thought and good feelings that count.
    Or just put the panels on the ground and leave the house alone.

  9. #68
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Texas
    Posts
    363
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    53
    Likes (Received)
    204

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    The actual experts say the green thing is a bunch of Sh..........enaganias (fake newa).

    Cow farts, coal and oil are not to blame for more than a couple of percent, and 97% is from nature.
    The SCIENCE behind Green is sound.

    Green as a POLICY is total BS because nobody ever figured out the ECONOMICS behind it.

    No company ever has or ever will sacrifice their profits in any meaningful way to go green. Just little itty bitty baby steps that don't do much in the end.

    Climate change happens naturally but it's currently happening at an accelerated rate and it's significantly outpacing technology. That part is not fake news. What IS fake news is the idea that anybody can really do anything about it. For every one company in America that goes green, 100 in the third world will pollute like there's no tomorrow.

    Reality is that our kids our fucked and our grandkids are REALLY fucked.

    All of us here really hit the jackpot. It really is the best time history to be alive. Don't take it for granted.

  10. #69
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Vt USA
    Posts
    9,234
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    1611
    Likes (Received)
    3320

    Default

    For myself, I believe there would be both quality of life and efficiencies in having fewer items to select from.

    Cars for instance. 10-20 different types of cars Utes, trucks and tractors would do for the common man. Make the products the best they can be, and make them repairable.

    The disposable product ideology is not the future.

    But, This plan would sure have a negative impact on capitalist economy and entrepreneurial efforts.

    No free lunch. But I'm of the "Buy it once" school.

  11. #70
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Country
    SPAIN
    Posts
    4,591
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    490
    Likes (Received)
    298

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post

    No free lunch. But I'm of the "Buy it once" school.
    Pffft... You're obviously not an industrialist - Gulag for you!
    Ref cars...I was reading under the "probable new changes" there will be a law stating OEM parts only.
    So the HUGE aftermarket of spare producing companies will become illegal... unless the OEMs purchase them.
    I guess.
    This was related to UK to be clear, and there is already in Europe STUPID STUPID STUPID (in best Clarkson voice) laws which do not allow any modification of vehicles. Basically the type approval/homologation has happened, so no you can't put a V8 in a mini... (or even fit a tow bar yourself, all = approved engineers + paperwork + money...)

  12. #71
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Country
    UNITED STATES MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS
    Posts
    8,253
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    4018

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Radar987 View Post
    Green as a POLICY is total BS because nobody ever figured out the ECONOMICS behind it.
    And no one ever will because Goldman-Sachs owns Congress.

    Therefore, we are fucked.

  13. #72
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Michigan
    Posts
    13,862
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    4725
    Likes (Received)
    4988

    Default

    Fake news can make people hate the stock market because that seems like rich people's stuff.

    And then they may wake up someday and say Where did my 401K (retirement) go.

    FN can make someone worry so much about a political person saying something controversial but ignoring what he or she has done.

    FN can make people so uppity that they forget that in dire need they might take a bus, or walk.

    Fn can convince people that Iodine is old-fashioned and tiger paw ointment is the new great thing.

    Brainwashing takes the place of thinking, science, and logic.

    Green, teenager thinking says in 6 or ten years the world will end, when the world is cleaner than 100, 50, 25, and 10 years ago. That the world has had numerous ice ages and will again. That forest fires, volcanos animal farts, and mother nature make 97% of pollution and man only 4%.

    Being stupid sells products and makes some people a lot of money.. giving away money for stupid often is the case.

    No, I'm not saying we should abolish toilets and throw our Shxx in the street, Dirty smoke is a hazard to food crops and people's health, and filling a lake with beer cans is bad for fishing so it is sensible to have sensible concerns.

    but remember that breathing burns up valuable oxygen and produces C02 and food produces farts, so if we take only every other breath and stop eating the world will be a better place.

  14. #73
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Location
    St Louis
    Posts
    19,334
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    2404
    Likes (Received)
    3662

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    The actual experts say the green thing is a bunch of Sh..........enaganias (fake newa).

    Cow farts, coal and oil are not to blame for more than a couple of percent, and 97% is from nature.

    ...............
    You just proved it is real.


    nature was in a balance for million of years. Your 3% upsets that balance and has been for a couple hundred years, possibly over a thousand.

    Yep, in that time a small imbalance can build up to be a problem.... as it seems to be doing.

    Get a teeter-totter balanced, then start tossing teaspoons of sand grains on one side, and not taking much back off. See what happens...........

    Yep, it gets out of balance and tips over to one side.

  15. Likes Radar987 liked this post

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •