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    Default Weiler Ergodur what a beauty

    I just bought this Weiler Ergodur
    Its a real beauty and perhaps thats why I payed to much
    It is geometricly rebuild with turcite and repainted with 2K paint
    But it has been a while I had a machine like this
    I hope you enjoy
    peter from Holland






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    Peter:
    Thanks for sharing that...very nice looking machine!
    I don't know the model, so perhaps you can educate me.
    Photos make the bed look as though the rear "Z" ways are higher relative to the horizon than the front.
    Sort of a mini slant bed if you like...is this correct or am i just seeing an illusion created by how the photos are taken?

    Cheers Ross

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    Not an illusion

    That's the Ergo slant on life!

    The operator is supposed to be able to do "most" things while seated on a shop stool.

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    Hello Ross

    Yes this lathe has a 15dgr tilted bed for ergonomic reassons
    As far as I can guess the Philips corporation ordered Weiler to come up with a ergonomic designed lathe like the AI Hembrug Ergonomic
    Hembrug stopped fabricating these in 1983 I think

    Originaly it did not have a good reputation As far as I understood the underside of the carriage had a epoxy surface like the Hembrug
    But as that surface was much smaller as on the box ways of the Hembrug it had wear real soon
    But after overhauling them and the ways were covered with turcite and also the backside of the ways was ground and is made a bearing part now they got much better

    peter from holland

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterve View Post
    Hello Ross

    Yes this lathe has a 15dgr tilted bed for ergonomic reassons
    As far as I can guess the Philips corporation ordered Weiler to come up with a ergonomic designed lathe like the AI Hembrug Ergonomic
    Couldnt' Philips achieve the same result with a "regular" lathe by just raising the rear leveling pads a little ?

    Congrats on the machine : it looks like new !

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNB View Post
    Couldnt' they achieve the same result with a "regular" lathe by just giving the cutting tool 15° more rake angle and 15° less relief ?
    Ahh

    In the eye of the beholder!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post
    Ahh

    Couldnt' they achieve the same result with a "regular" lathe by just giving the cutting tool 15° more rake angle and 15° less relief ?

    In the eye of the beholder!
    Ha ha !

    You were posting while I was editing my post.
    Never mind, you see there were even more options Weiler engineers could have choosen from

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    That's a boxy looking beauty! Very nice. (My first impression was that the collet closer had been installed on the wrong end. )

    That long handle that appears to be coming out of the headstock-is that the collet closer? Assuming it is, how does one tighten, loosen or install a collet?

    I'd be a while learning the new position of the traverse and cross slide handwheels, they being opposite of every lathe I've run. Oh well, I'm slightly canted off horizontal myself.

    Neil

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    That is a very nice machine!, is there a chute in the middle of the chip tray?.

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    Really nice looking!
    But the slanted bed on a manual lathe ... is it to better aim the chips directly into your face?

    Nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Mueller View Post
    Really nice looking!
    But the slanted bed on a manual lathe ... is it to better aim the chips directly into your face?

    Nick
    I've posted a couple of times about this design here in the past, complete with original literature. The theory of the slant bed was better viewing and operation when sitting down.



    Unfortunately now we know that sitting is unhealthy and we sit too much as it is !

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    Would there be extra weight on the front way, accelerating wear?
    Is that a dumb question?

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    The theory of the slant bed was better viewing and operation when sitting down.
    Better viewing, no doubt about that.
    Sitting in front of the lathe, collecting hot chips on your lap? I have some doubts wether that is good.

    But still a nice lathe I'd like to have! (But won't buy).


    Nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Mueller View Post
    Better viewing, no doubt about that.
    Sitting in front of the lathe, collecting hot chips on your lap? I have some doubts wether that is good.
    Hot chips no problem... as you can see from literature the machine is meant to be run by ghosts...chips pass thru.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lofty View Post
    Would there be extra weight on the front way, accelerating wear?
    Is that a dumb question?

    If there was, then I'd imagine the front ways could be made larger to compensate

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAG 180 View Post
    If there was, then I'd imagine the front ways could be made larger to compensate
    Well that was one of the complains that the ways were too small
    We compensated that by using the backside of the ways too
    We grinded them and installed some adjustable guidingblocks
    Also the ways are Turcite now while originally they were a epoxy
    I found some collets for it and a new Bison chuck is comming in for it

    What do you people think Should i put on a new (Jenix=Korean) DRO or a older Heidenhain. A black one


    Peter from holland

    BTW the name is Weiler Ergodor not Ergodur

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterve View Post

    What do you people think Should i put on a new (Jenix=Korean) DRO or a older Heidenhain. A black one
    An Heidenhain unit would be best suited for the machine IMHO.

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    No DRO = less costs = more profit...Right?

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    Should i put on a new (Jenix=Korean) DRO or a older Heidenhain.
    There's an easy answer:
    A Jenix for functionality and a Heidenhain for the looks!


    Nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kees View Post
    No DRO = less costs = more profit...Right?
    All wrong
    Put on a cheap DRO and ask €1500 more


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