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    not what was reported at the time. I am referring...

    not what was reported at the time. I am referring not just to the city- but the area.
    Here, for example, the Guardian claims that 7000 toy factories went out of business.
    China's toy makers face...
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    I think you way underestimate the frictional...

    I think you way underestimate the frictional costs of switching suppliers, either as an importer, a manufacturer, or a customer.
    I have been buying Kohler plumbing stuff for 40 years- I know it and...
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    I cant speak for Harbor Freight, as I dont have...

    I cant speak for Harbor Freight, as I dont have anything from there- but, if you buy much, you quickly learn which brands are worth sticking with.
    I buy pretty much exclusively Bosch and Metabo hand...
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    I, too, can google. But I also buy tools...

    I, too, can google.
    But I also buy tools regularly, which I guess you dont.
    Am I seeing direct increases in prices yet?
    no, but I have seen steady inflation in the cost of good tools over the...
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    no name stuff has mostly shifted from china years...

    no name stuff has mostly shifted from china years ago. After 2008, 100,000 factories near Shanghai went out of business, and most of the stuff they made- christmas tree lights, 3 dollar tee shirts,...
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    I would consider double stick tape for machine...

    I would consider double stick tape for machine buffing, on a shop made wooden or aluminum jig.
    Or, go the other way- fasten the faces down to a plate, and use a dremel or flexible shaft tool. It...
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    Jet, like a good dozen other importers and...

    Jet, like a good dozen other importers and resellers here and in europe, makes nothing themselves.
    NONE of their products are true "clones" of any other brand, with interchangeable parts.
    Some...
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    were these made in Japan? Since Esab bought...

    were these made in Japan?
    Since Esab bought Thermadyne 5 years ago, the Thermal Arc line is pretty much gone, replaced with similar, but probably european made, Esab small inverter welders.

    So...
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    No, I have a nice 2003 F150 that I bought new. ...

    No, I have a nice 2003 F150 that I bought new. But it still cost a lot more than it would have in the 80s. Hell- I paid over 20 grand for it. And so far, thats more than a grand a year...

    Good...
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    Fronius, in the USA, is at least double Miller. ...

    Fronius, in the USA, is at least double Miller.
    I use a Miller Maxstar for site tig work, but it wont do aluminum.
    MIne is a 150 amp, and it runs either 110 or 220. I love it.
    I have a friend who...
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    I guess it depends on how you define "small"....

    I guess it depends on how you define "small".
    But yes, lots of ag products from my area are sold in China, mostly not by 1 man 40 acre farms, but some of the larger farms do sell direct. A lot of...
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    Nobody says they arent good machines- just heavy,...

    Nobody says they arent good machines- just heavy, impossible to get parts for, and, where can I order a new one and have it delivered next week?


    I know people who only drive cars with...
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    Having bought a fair amount of em new, and been...

    Having bought a fair amount of em new, and been inside most of em at one time or another over the years, I am dubious. Individual parts, like capacitors or ICs, sure, but Miller has one main factory,...
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    I dunno about your "average family", but when my...

    I dunno about your "average family", but when my kids were little, there was no way we were driving 500 miles in one shot, even stopping for gas. The little car monkeys would be good for about 2...
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    hmm- your link says- "Lower selling prices for...

    hmm- your link says- "Lower selling prices for lumber, alder, and red oak, and reduced shipments of lumber to China, Northwest's primary overseas market, and hardwood panel for the recreation...
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    we are starting to see results from the tariffs. ...

    we are starting to see results from the tariffs.
    this mill is less than five miles down the road from me.
    County lumber mill to close because of trade disputes | Local News | goskagit.com
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    While miller buys plenty of parts, including...

    While miller buys plenty of parts, including subassemblies, from China, they are made in Wisconsin. Lincoln, on the other hand, has factories in 19 countries, and US sold Lincolns can be from a wide...
  18. not at 4100 feet there isnt- its in the...

    not at 4100 feet there isnt- its in the Willamette Valley, which averages very close to Sea Level. Salem is at a whopping 154' .
    Geography trumps fantasy every time.
  19. Not to shatter yer illusions or anything, but,...

    Not to shatter yer illusions or anything, but, even if Cali was gone- Nevada is still 5000' in altitude for most of its area. Even Las Vegas is over 2000 feet up. That means you aint never gonna grow...
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    I said "quick change". not 5C. Harding quick...

    I said "quick change". not 5C.

    Harding quick change lathe collets are much more expensive, just as any quick change collets for a bridgeport are much more expensive than regular R8s.

    like...
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    what is "bad" about being an "avowed Atheist"? ...

    what is "bad" about being an "avowed Atheist"?
    And what does it have to do with tariffs, or Trump, or voting?

    I am an unashamed atheist, and have been one for 64 years. No vowing, or "avowing"...
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    The OP says he needs to buy 2 new welders right...

    The OP says he needs to buy 2 new welders right now, and 4 to 5 (I assume, including the first two) in this fiscal year.

    Is buying an array of 20 year old Lincolns really his best bet?

    I think...
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    For last year, the US exports were about 12% of...

    For last year, the US exports were about 12% of GDP, at about $2.5 Trillion
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    The Chinese exports were around 18% of GDP, at about $4.5 Trillion.

    but only a pretty small fraction of the...
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    I think there is a difference between occasional...

    I think there is a difference between occasional use, where you can justify searching out and buying a 20 or 30 or 40 year old machine, and a working shop that uses welders every day, and buys new...
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    The Trade deficit has been going UP under Trump's...

    The Trade deficit has been going UP under Trump's Tariffs- its just been shifting to other countries besides China. This year will be the highest Trade Deficit EVER.

    Raising Chinese postal rates...
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