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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Nice in theory but given the chance your price for a 12 pack will be raised much more than that.

    Domestic Beer 6-pack 12-pack
    Bud Light $5.79 $10.49
    Coors Light $5.79 $10.49

    I'm guessing $10.49 will go up to $10.99.

    Is "light beer" even beer?

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    Gordon, Motion Guru posted a link to an article where Molson Coors stated that layoffs could be coming to the brewing industry because of the tariffs. I stated that the actual cost of a beer can would go up less than 3/4 of 1 cent and that I wouldn't worry about it. Where did you get your 50 cents a 12 pack from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by converterking View Post
    Gordon, Motion Guru posted a link to an article where Molson Coors stated that layoffs could be coming to the brewing industry because of the tariffs. I stated that the actual cost of a beer can would go up less than 3/4 of 1 cent and that I wouldn't worry about it. Where did you get your 50 cents a 12 pack from?
    Where did I get it? I wrote "I'm guessing $10.49 will go up to $10.99." As I wrote, it was a guess. Shop prices are ALWAYS made to look "cheap". Can you imagine a price of $10.57?

    Why would tariffs affect the brewing industry? Either the price for a can of beer would go up or a little less beer in cans. They (beer industry) could use some of the tax they've saved on the new tax bill (did they?) to eliminate any difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Where did I get it? I wrote "I'm guessing $10.49 will go up to $10.99." As I wrote, it was a guess. Shop prices are ALWAYS made to look "cheap". Can you imagine a price of $10.57?

    Why would tariffs affect the brewing industry? Either the price for a can of beer would go up or a little less beer in cans. They (beer industry) could use some of the tax they've saved on the new tax bill (did they?) to eliminate any difference.
    Gordon, this thread is about aluminum prices. Not the retail cost of beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Nice in theory but given the chance your price for a 12 pack will be raised much more than that.

    Domestic Beer 6-pack 12-pack
    Bud Light $5.79 $10.49
    Coors Light $5.79 $10.49

    I'm guessing $10.49 will go up to $10.99.
    You don't "buy" bear. You only rent it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    You don't "buy" bear. You only rent it.
    What kind of bear do you rent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by converterking View Post
    An empty beer can weighs .53 ounces. If aluminum was at $2.00 a pound and it goes up to $2.20 per pound, a 12 pack of beer would cost about 8 cents more. I am not too concerned.
    When you buy 100 million cans, you think about it differently.

    First, do you not mark up your materials?

    I'll bet can makers do

    I'll bet beer companies do

    They will grind employees for the 8 cents, grind shippers, grind retailers

    I know guys who can beer, the standard unit to buy cans is a million

    IF I have my math right, that is an increase of 6 grand per unit.

    they will pay attention

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    Quote Originally Posted by converterking View Post
    What kind of bear do you rent?
    Stuff so cheap you can't tell if it's before "filtering" or after...

    Nah, in truth I don't drink much of anything, I just couldn't resist the old joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by converterking View Post
    Gordon, this thread is about aluminum prices. Not the retail cost of beer.
    You have a short span memory. Beer was mentioned before I used it as an example.

    Stop being a dum ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    You have a short span memory. Beer was mentioned before I used it as an example.

    Stop being a dum ass.
    "An empty beer can weighs .53 ounces. If aluminum was at $2.00 a pound and it goes up to $2.20 per pound, a 12 pack of beer would cost about 8 cents more. I am not too concerned." Reading comprehension Gordon, the thread was about beer cans and the cost of aluminum, not beer. I could care less about your name calling, you are useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by converterking View Post
    Gordon, Motion Guru posted a link to an article where Molson Coors stated that layoffs could be coming to the brewing industry because of the tariffs. I stated that the actual cost of a beer can would go up less than 3/4 of 1 cent and that I wouldn't worry about it. Where did you get your 50 cents a 12 pack from?

    He's saying that they will take full advantage of any excuse that they can put out there that the consumer will accept for raising the prices.

    My main bitch is the cost of coolant. I have copy's of my order for the same thing from 2011 @ $865 (?) that I just picked up the other day for $1210 or there abouts.

    What has happened over the last 7 years to justify this increase? Have wages increased 45%? Has the heating bill increased 45% as well? How about base product?

    I don't know of many (top) wages that have changed all that much around here since 1999. Maybe some by now, but over-all, not a lot. Processing consumables - assuming maybe natural gas? That's certainly less, maybe a lot less? Base product - oil - certainly a lot less than 2011. Maybe 1/2?

    But if oil goes up, the price goes up. If oil goes down, the price holds. If it goes back up again - the price goes up again. It works like a high-lift jack. As the see-saw effect doesn't change it's high and low points, but yet the jack still goes higher.


    Or maybe we can go look at prices for finished goods - or even better yet - tubing - in 2004. Raw material - steel doubled in 6 months time, after being stable for many years prior. (AT least 15 yrs that I had been buying it prior) But marketers took the op-porn-tunity to move the price of their finished goods up drastically - blaming it on steel prices.

    Well just how much of the over-all costs of your manufacturing this product is the raw material costs? Even if steel is 25% of the cost, and it doubles, the cost of the finished product should only move up 25% - plus some for the increased cost of finance/risk - sure, but .... ???

    How much steel is in the cost of your DOM? I would venture to say that 80% of the your DOM costs is processing, yet they doubled that price in 2004 as well!


    The point being that even if the increase is minimal, if the public - or the customer - knows about this cost of manufacture increase, then you can get away with murder.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    He's saying that they will take full advantage of any excuse that they can put out there that the consumer will accept for raising the prices.

    My main bitch is the cost of coolant. I have copy's of my order for the same thing from 2011 @ $865 (?) that I just picked up the other day for $1210 or there abouts.

    What has happened over the last 7 years to justify this increase? Have wages increased 45%? Has the heating bill increased 45% as well? How about base product?

    I don't know of many (top) wages that have changed all that much around here since 1999. Maybe some by now, but over-all, not a lot. Processing consumables - assuming maybe natural gas? That's certainly less, maybe a lot less? Base product - oil - certainly a lot less than 2011. Maybe 1/2?

    But if oil goes up, the price goes up. If oil goes down, the price holds. If it goes back up again - the price goes up again. It works like a high-lift jack. As the see-saw effect doesn't change it's high and low points, but yet the jack still goes higher.


    Or maybe we can go look at prices for finished goods - or even better yet - tubing - in 2004. Raw material - steel doubled in 6 months time, after being stable for many years prior. (AT least 15 yrs that I had been buying it prior) But marketers took the op-porn-tunity to move the price of their finished goods up drastically - blaming it on steel prices.

    Well just how much of the over-all costs of your manufacturing this product is the raw material costs? Even if steel is 25% of the cost, and it doubles, the cost of the finished product should only move up 25% - plus some for the increased cost of finance/risk - sure, but .... ???

    How much steel is in the cost of your DOM? I would venture to say that 80% of the your DOM costs is processing, yet they doubled that price in 2004 as well!


    The point being that even if the increase is minimal, if the public - or the customer - knows about this cost of manufacture increase, then you can get away with murder.





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    What does this have to do with aluminum prices? I use mostly aluminum, but I charge 40 times my material cost for the finished product. The tariff wont matter to me.

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    My main bitch is the cost of coolant. I have copy's of my order for the same thing from 2011 @ $865 (?) that I just picked up the other day for $1210 or there abouts.

    What has happened over the last 7 years to justify this increase? Have wages increased 45%? Has the heating bill increased 45% as well? How about base product?
    EPA (and other) regulation compliance? Insurance?

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    All the large beer producers have been losing market share for several years...to the local micro-breweries, liquor, and wine. So I would imagine they're not going to get too cocky in raising prices much.

    Let's not forget that we still have a capitalistic, hyper-competitive economy. So when all these feared price hikes start to happen, there's always companies who will hold the line, in order to maintain and grow sales.

    I for one look forward to my competitors trying to raise prices. My small CNC shop is fiercely efficient and competitive, thanks to never-ending hard work by me and the help.

    For example, following Ox's example of coolant cost increases, my last two drums have been sourced as new surplus online, for about 1/3 the cost of new from a distributor. A few minutes spent searching has saved me close to two grand in coolant expense!

    Having my larger, bloated, inefficient competitors setting back and announcing price increases just makes me smile. Bring it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by converterking View Post
    What does this have to do with aluminum prices? I use mostly aluminum, but I charge 40 times my material cost for the finished product. The tariff wont matter to me.

    Absolutely nothing.

    Cost of materials has zero to doo with consumer pricing.
    Certainly it is all based on "what the market will bear" - regardless if the costs of production is higher or lower than market value.
    You couldn't be more correct.
    My (and Mr. Clark's) bad.
    Please forgive us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    Absolutely nothing.
    My (and Mr. Clark's) bad.


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    Are you both the same person?

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    Oh yeah.
    Isn't that obvious?
    Joined righ'chear at the hip don't'cha know....


    edit:

    Motion Guru brought up the subject/concern about the alum price and beer to begin with.
    Motion Guru is another one of my aliases too.
    It's all me.
    I'm the only one that has made the stoopid assumption that price of materials would have any effect on anything downstream.

    Don't read anything into it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    I'm the only one that has made the stoopid assumption that price of materials would have any effect on anything downstream.

    Don't read anything into it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by converterking View Post
    "An empty beer can weighs .53 ounces. If aluminum was at $2.00 a pound and it goes up to $2.20 per pound, a 12 pack of beer would cost about 8 cents more. I am not too concerned." Reading comprehension Gordon, the thread was about beer cans and the cost of aluminum, not beer. I could care less about your name calling, you are useless.
    Be that as it may there are literally trillions of cans each year.
    That 8 cents is a tax.

    Staggering amounts of money go into can/end development to save milligrams of material.

    See those coils? That's a lot of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by converterking View Post
    What does this have to do with aluminum prices? I use mostly aluminum, but I charge 40 times my material cost for the finished product. The tariff wont matter to me.
    Then what you are doing with and to the material is right. Adding real value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cnctoolcat View Post





    Chinese steel is so cheap that most shipping containers never return to the Pacific Rim, it's cheaper to sell or scrap them out here.



    ToolCat
    I was involved in purchasing a shipping container for our club. Could not believe the prices for "one use" shipping containers. Then I found a video of how they are made. Yeah, made at a very low cost. Welder sits on a chair that takes him to all the welds. He has to strike the arc and keep the puddle in place, chair moves at required speed, weld bead to weld bead.


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