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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1974 View Post
    In no means am I defending the guy, but in FL average of 32 hours plus is considered full time... for benefits and such. Not saying 33=40, but there do seem to be some weird legalities...
    That may be true here as well, but UI checks are based upon gross pay, not hourly rate. That being said I need to check on the paperwork that the state sent to me. If he listed that he works a 40 hour week and it turns out that he did not then there will be some problems. I do think the state checks against the tax filings we make, but they are swamped right now with filings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scruffy887 View Post
    That may be true here as well, but UI checks are based upon gross pay, not hourly rate. That being said I need to check on the paperwork that the state sent to me. If he listed that he works a 40 hour week and it turns out that he did not then there will be some problems. I do think the state checks against the tax filings we make, but they are swamped right now with filings.

    Wait - "What"?

    The whole porpoise of the PPP was to keep employees NOT needed in income, ESPECIALLY if they were home (as far as I know).

    If you had werk for that person, and they showed up to doo it, Fed Man shouldn't have had to give anyone any $.
    It would mostly be either if you didn't have werk, or that person stayed home anyhow under the guise of child care, or just even if they were wimpy and too scared to go out in the world.

    The Fed man gave you the $ to pay that person their 40, whether they werked 40, 4, or 0 hours from my understanding.
    The whole point being that their payroll deductions are met, and that they stay on any employer benefit insurance plans.



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    looking at bank statement

    weekly draw came in from ppp

    941 money went out

    one hand giveth and the other one taketh away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    Wait - "What"?

    The whole porpoise of the PPP was to keep employees NOT needed in income, ESPECIALLY if they were home (as far as I know).

    If you had werk for that person, and they showed up to doo it, Fed Man shouldn't have had to give anyone any $.
    It would mostly be either if you didn't have werk, or that person stayed home anyhow under the guise of child care, or just even if they were wimpy and too scared to go out in the world.

    The Fed man gave you the $ to pay that person their 40, whether they werked 40, 4, or 0 hours from my understanding.
    The whole point being that their payroll deductions are met, and that they stay on any employer benefit insurance plans.



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    PPP is also for economic uncertainty and we all have that. Maybe not now but it is coming. And it is also because small businesses like mine may not be able to get a loan during these times, no matter how good your credit is. And the money you get is based on their average paycheck from 2019. He averaged 33 hours a week. Last production order that came in was early March. We have enough orders on the books and some Europe orders still wanted.

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    Oh, I think I follow you now.

    You're saying that he typically only bothers to show up for an average of 33 when it's his time, but wants paid for 40 on someone else's time?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Radar987 View Post
    What a bunch of idiots. Any employee that rejects an offer of re-employment is forfeiting unemployment benefits eligibility and setting themselves up to be permanently laid off.
    Legal recourse diminishes considerably for an employee if he refuses to return from furlough. Citing fear of contracting COVID19 is not a valid excuse unless the employer has a history of outbreak, like a meat processing plant, because the reality is that the whole world is in the same boat.
    There are some very easy workarounds for the $600. The most obvious is to bring back the employees part time. This can aid significantly with physical distancing anyway.
    Things may be different in Texas than in Michigan.
    Have you been though wrongful termination lawsuits or fighting unemployment claims?
    Add to this the new state emergency orders.
    Here at least unless your workplace has forced 6 foot spacing or enclosures between employees, disinfectant of all shared tools buttons or handles between uses, temp checks at the entrance and masks provided I can assure you that the "I do not feel safe" excuse works and employers are prohibited from any discrimination or retaliation.

    At this point the ownership of the problem is upon the employer to prove a 100% safe working environment which of course is impossible.

    One question on the PPP. Does the money used and forgiven also cover employee benefits such as accrued vacation time, health insurance, life insurance, Sams club membership?
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    IDK how "vacation time" fits in as an itemized expense in this - unless the person werked the week and maybe their "use it or lose it" time was due, and they got paid for that on TOP of their reg pay? I wonder if they have that scenario addressed in the memo yet?

    I think that Ins benefits are included.

    Sams Club memberships?


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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Things may be different in Texas than in Michigan.
    Have you been though wrongful termination lawsuits or fighting unemployment claims?
    Add to this the new state emergency orders.
    Here at least unless your workplace has forced 6 foot spacing or enclosures between employees, disinfectant of all shared tools buttons or handles between uses, temp checks at the entrance and masks provided I can assure you that the "I do not feel safe" excuse works and employers are prohibited from any discrimination or retaliation.

    At this point the ownership of the problem is upon the employer to prove a 100% safe working environment which of course is impossible.

    One question on the PPP. Does the money used and forgiven also cover employee benefits such as accrued vacation time, health insurance, life insurance, Sams club membership?
    Bob
    It is what you pay them per week. If they get vacation pay, holiday pay, sams club, hookers and blow, you apply for that. If you get it you have to give it to them. Assuming hookers and blow are recreational in your state. Don't forget that this amount does not include your employers matching contribution. You have to add this from your own pocket. But you get a piece of your check included as well as rent, utilities.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    IDK how "vacation time" fits in as an itemized expense in this - unless the person werked the week and maybe their "use it or lose it" time was due, and they got paid for that on TOP of their reg pay? I wonder if they have that scenario addressed in the memo yet?

    I think that Ins benefits are included.

    Sams Club memberships?


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    How all of this gets forgiven has come out a few days ago. I have only read it twice so cannot comment. Most of us will have to pay some back. Us smaller companies will need just a small amount of anal lube. Prostate exam amount.

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    How much money total?
    If below the big limit I think no audit the new rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    How much money total?
    If below the big limit I think no audit the new rule.
    Bob
    No audit under 2 million. I am light years away from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radar987 View Post
    What a bunch of idiots. Any employee that rejects an offer of re-employment is forfeiting unemployment benefits eligibility and setting themselves up to be permanently laid off.

    Legal recourse diminishes considerably for an employee if he refuses to return from furlough. Citing fear of contracting COVID19 is not a valid excuse unless the employer has a history of outbreak, like a meat processing plant, because the reality is that the whole world is in the same boat.

    There are some very easy workarounds for the $600. The most obvious is to bring back the employees part time. This can aid significantly with physical distancing anyway.
    Because you BS job is worth dying for

    right

    You are incorrect, you cannot force people back to your sweatshop

    Good employees are going to work with you

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    Most do not have any orders coming in either. If they do the work does not last long so they might go back and if the order completes then “Get out of here you ___ and you ___ ____ ______’s.” Just add blanks.

    When the leverage no longer works then things are not moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    Wait - "What"?

    The whole porpoise of the PPP was to keep employees NOT needed in income, ESPECIALLY if they were home (as far as I know).

    If you had werk for that person, and they showed up to doo it, Fed Man shouldn't have had to give anyone any $.
    It would mostly be either if you didn't have werk, or that person stayed home anyhow under the guise of child care, or just even if they were wimpy and too scared to go out in the world.

    The Fed man gave you the $ to pay that person their 40, whether they werked 40, 4, or 0 hours from my understanding.
    The whole point being that their payroll deductions are met, and that they stay on any employer benefit insurance plans.



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    right on. the intent was to keep them on the payroll and home no matter what. Some exceptions apply for essential workers.


    dee
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Not in agreement with that statement at all.
    I wonder if the higher ups who say this are fast to terminate, step on or blame the foreman/supervisor/trainer..... Hmmm, who trains the trainer?
    That drops it back onto another desk eh?

    As much as I think it is employer responsibility to try to bring people up in skill and train them there will always be some you just can't help.
    These are poison in the workplace and removal good for all.
    You wonder if you did all you could and lose sleep over it thinking maybe if I did this or that but the truth is this needed sometimes.
    There will always be bad employees, those with troubled lives outside work or other problems that no boss can heal no matter the effort put in.
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    Oh it may surprise many but the US military gets both people with skills and those without. Seems supporting the US military brings down raining frogs and hailstones around here for some reason. Can’t argue with the results.

    They still train them all. Stringing a man on having him believe he is learning anything and not bettering him reflects on them and the employer. I never dwell on worst trainable people because they were made useful and were part of the shop.

    If a person is young and not moving forward in a civilian trade consider joining up. Many have and still do. It has risk you should understand first though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janicer.marron View Post
    Now many people have a very difficult money situation.
    It's so sad to read.
    Attempt at building "Forum Cred" ?

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    There's talk in D.C. about making some revisions to the program, allowing small businesses to use more of the funds for rent and other operating expenses, and extending the borrowing calculation from 2 to 6 months.

    Assuming something passes, I wonder how this will affect us...

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    Boy, I hate to see anything more yet, other than maybe for the restraunts and whatnot?

    But - I will say - that I think that first PPwhatever thing that went through REALLY made a big difference.
    I feel that there was $ hoarding going on - or at least being considered before folks had this stim money coming in.

    I saw a cpl accounts get maybe 30 days beyond where they typically run, but soon after the time that the PPwhatever $ came in, we got paid.

    Now if the Gov's would just grow some balls and bow out of this thing at this point and let it go - we could git on with it!


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    2 of the 3 are back. The 68 year old was last hired and was not needed. High risk group like me, not on my watch, stay home. State approved plan with state posters, each with a pair of good gloves, and both wearing a mask all day. They do not share tools so the gloves may only be needed for a pallet jack. Each got a detailed shop map as to where they are allowed and when. Each will be given a pocket bottle of hand sanitizer as needed. Taking this one day at a time. Mass has a huge number of infected people. Our town has 80, 2 other neighbor towns have 60. And 3 connected cities have 1000+ each. What you think about this infection depends on how you are effected and where you are. But this PPP helps when you loose a months worth of production. That is a much bigger number.
    Carry on, wash your hands.


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