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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rand View Post
    The problem that you've got is that going to an efficient single payer system would mean job cuts for many well paid executives and lobbyists and more, far less well paid, clerical workers. Even without the restraints of a European socialist-worker type economy, that would take a very strong President and Congress to push through without being diluted beyond the point of usefulness like ACA/Obamacare was.
    Prolly the biggest reason for the soaring med rates of late is that they passed a law about limitless expenditures, in stead of the previous $1,000,000 / person max out.
    Of course that is someone spending someone else's money once again.
    Overnight many treatments and whatnot doubled. (per some in the field, not my experience. I wouldn't know...)

    Since that passed in recent history, I kind'a have a hard time imagining being able to ever get a hold on things.
    (Until national bankruptcy)



    Quote Originally Posted by Ries View Post
    Then, there are the kids, like my younger one,



    [not trying to be a dick, but ...]
    Sounds like your kid doesn't have any financial fallout from his actions?
    And doesn't see anything wrong with someone else funding his bad choices?
    [/not trying to be a dick, but ...]


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    Not trying to annoy you Ox but there was a bit about our healthcare on the news tonight.

    Seems as if the number with healthcare insurance (over and above what they pay in tax to our "free" healthcare) has gone up from 6% to 8% the past 8 years.

    There is though an explanation for this and it's as good as entirely paid for by the companies employing those 8% of people.

    If you are sick here and can't work a company still has to pay you your wage. Having the extra healthcare insurance means you can get faster treatment in private hospitals. Not necessarily better treatment, just faster.

    Many companies have figured out it's cheaper for them to take out employee healthcare insurance rather than have to pay wages while waiting. I think most in the USA would be surprised that the insurance healthcare doesn't cost more than it does. If it cost more than what companies would have to pay in sick leave then it wouldn't happen.

    Better just mention that those with healthcare insurance won't necessarily get better treatment in an emergency or life threatening case than those with standard ("free") healthcare.

    OK now I'll annoy but most of you must already know this. The only logical reason I can see for US citizens paying as much as they do for their healthcare is that there must be a kick-back to your politicians to make sure tax financed healthcare doesn't happen. Running for the Senate or the House of Representatives is a very lengthy, expensive business.

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    "death Panels" and "lifetime limits" on care.....Supreme court Justice
    Ruth Bader Ginsburg
    is undergoing yet another treatment....only the finest of care.

    Paid for by us, the unclean masses that don't get nearly the same.

    All members of congress (and their families) get the finest money (not their money) can buy.

    And on the other end....unlimited abortion on demand.

    But suicide is illegal.....
    Last edited by digger doug; 08-26-2019 at 11:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    Since that passed in recent history, I kind'a have a hard time imagining being able to ever get a hold on things.
    (Until national bankruptcy)
    There *is* a brake on that sort of profiteering, but too many of you people would scream the dreaded 'S' word at any suggestion of it being implemented.

    Build Govt run hospitals staffed by people on salary. Or truly not for profit ones where all the staff are on salary and salaries are capped. If your medical cartels refuse to staff them, employ First World trained doctors on contract then set up med schools to train your own with an agreement to work 2 years on salary for every year of paid-for training (IOW they don't pay fees up front).

    Don't bother telling me this sort of thing can't be done, because it *can* be done and it *has* been done. It may well be true that the USA can't do it, however, but that's your problem to solve.

    Heh. That reminds me of a discussion I once had with a bunch of engineers and marketing people when I was getting quotes for a new satellite base system for one of our ships. Company A said they could track & acquire data from (IIRC) one deg above the horizon to slightly below as the satellite passed over. Company B said this couldn't be done and their engineers were happy to demonstrate why.

    Problem was, as I told them, that I already *had* a system from company A on another ship and their claims were *conservative*. I told the marketing people from company B that just because they couldn't do it, didn't mean it couldn't be done.

    Same with running country wide health care systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Seems as if the number with healthcare insurance (over and above what they pay in tax to our "free" healthcare) has gone up from 6% to 8% the past 8 years.
    Since You brought this up how about kids in Denmark?

    Here in the "socialistic dreamworld" Finland about 50% of young kids nowadays have private insurance, mostly because parent's dont feel like to waiting in public hospitals with small kids.
    Insurance is only about 500 usd/eur per year but our 6 year daughter doesn't have one as 500 euros covers about 5 private doctor visits(actually used maybe once per year) for small problems anyways and specialty healthcare works well enough on the public side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattiJ View Post
    Since You brought this up how about kids in Denmark?

    Here in the "socialistic dreamworld" Finland about 50% of young kids nowadays have private insurance, mostly because parent's dont feel like to waiting in public hospitals with small kids.
    Insurance is only about 500 usd/eur per year but our 6 year daughter doesn't have one as 500 euros covers about 5 private doctor visits(actually used maybe once per year) for small problems anyways and specialty healthcare works well enough on the public side.
    Not quite sure how to reply and be certain of my facts so here's my opinion.

    For adults as well as children then if it's urgent (as in serious or life threatening) then both adults and children won't have any waiting time. I can't imagine the situation but if the "choice" was between treating a kid or adult first then I can't imagine any doctor/hospital putting an adult first.

    I've never heard of private health insurance being in demand for kids here.
    Add to that that all dental work on/for children is free up to the age of 18. I believe all schools have a doctor and dentist that makes regular visits to see how the pupils/students are. Most vaccinations are free too for most - adults and kids.

    To Americans. I'm not saying things are always perfect but a "screw-up" by a doctor or hospital on a kid will get noticed fast and make the news. Interesting maybe too for Americans but suing doctors and hospitals here is very rare.

    P.S. Matti I detected sarcastic "humour" in part of your post but some may not have taken it as such. Hoping I got it ("socialistic dreamworld" Finland) right

    Yes, on paper, it seems we pay high taxes but in reality we're almost all pretty sure we get a lot for our money. No worries about healthcare payments and no payment for college or university. In fact students get paid.

    This Country Is Literally Paying Students to Go to College

    https://www.su.dk/english/state-educ...oan-scheme-su/

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    Death Panel? and that would be what?

    Free college? Do you think our elected officials want an educated free thinking bunch of voters?

    I work with my hands and my brain. So am I better than someone who only works with their brain? I'm making some parts right now that have most of the aluminum machined away with thin walls and long unsupported length. Choreographing the operations, most initially to remove all but .050" on most surfaces to let the stress get out, and then figure out how to hold for the final machining was no simple task. Stop using your head on that one and there will be some scrap. There will be 9 or 10 setups.

    Many years ago I was working at a customer's place about 3 days a week and on one of my off days there were two plastic cutter workers, obvious low on the respect list because all they did was cut plastic with a table saw. What could go wrong? Well, they did not have much experience with machinery and the table saw kept tripping the breaker so they kept resetting the breaker and sawing. While at lunch the saw caught fire and then caught the tons of engineering plastic and then the whole building. The fire department shows up, several run in with hoses and the thermal switch on the door melts and it falls trapping them in. They managed to open it up and get out but the building was lost.


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