Thread: My continued struggle to find decent shop help

Originally Posted by ChipSplitter

Oh for Pete's sake, it's not like your shop is Exhibit A for manufacturing. There are more certifications available than machines on your floor, I'll wager.

Example (only ISO): https://certifications.thomasnet.com...fications/iso/

(only SAE): https://certifications.thomasnet.com...fications/sae/

You got a whole lot more to aspire to........

If you're not careful you'll crowd otrlt off his high horse.......

RAAHHWWRR!

Me ISO, you not! Me better!

Originally Posted by triumph406

The takeways from this thread

Need to pay $35/hour
Need a bathroom, break room, nap room.
Need 401k
4 weeks min vacation first year
Need to get ISO and all your problems will be solved.
Need robots.
Profit share if there is any.
Need to be able to offer unlimited time off due to, death in family, incarceration after multiple DUI's, mental disabilities, any plausible excuse.
No questions asked if it's the third time the employee has to go to gran's funeral this year.
cash on hand to post bail if employee gets locked up (again)
Red carpet and warm welcome required every morning.
Unlimited use of company vehicle.

Probably a few I've missed.

I suspect most posters would need to live in Gilbert awhile to understand your dilemma. What you going thru isn't any different from what a shop owner would be experiencing say here in Orange County

And, the best post in thread award goes to.....................

Originally Posted by as9100d

You dont own a shop. You work at a shop.

I think I have been very clear about not owning a shop. I did however manage one for a number of years, but I digress. What about your statement makes my opinions any less valid than yous??

edit: I have no problem with you, but you have made some very dick comments to a guy that has been a memeber here forever AND was brave enough to lay out what his shop does, what has worked and what didn't, his struggles on getting running, etc etc. And YOU just give vague references. I won't comment on the name of that multibillion shop (publicly) I worked out because I signed some legal stuff when I got laid off and accepted my severance package. I doubt they would care much about it 2-3 years later, but not willing to chance it.

Originally Posted by wheelieking71

Bingo! Bout freaking time somebody gets it (well, Mike, you get it to).

I would love to come to work for you, as I never required a lot of sleep, if you can pay be 50% more than minimum wage and give me 30-40 hours a week working around my college studies we have a deal. I will be loyal as can be and will work odd hours, I am a very fast learner. I think we can have a mutually beneficial relationship for about 4 years.

P.S. Sorry Wheelie, that was my bad example how things have changed. That was me acting like I saw your post in 1979, as I am 59 years old born in 1961. Things have changed here, but not for the better.

Originally Posted by Mike1974

I think I have been very clear about not owning a shop. I did however manage one for a number of years, but I digress. What about your statement makes my opinions any less valid than yous??

The difference is I had the balls to risk my own money, you didnt.

Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the USA. He's 22 miles away from the 5th largest city in the USA.... problem isnt the lack of people, its the lack of something else.

I asked my 2 employees that came from the phx area what they were getting paid at their last job and both were making around $28 an hour at modern industries.

Originally Posted by as9100d

The difference is I had the balls to risk my own money, you didnt.

Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the USA. He's 22 miles away from the 5th largest city in the USA.... problem isnt the lack of people, its the lack of something else.

I asked my 2 employees that came from the phx area what they were getting paid at their last job and both were making around $28 an hour at modern industries.

Fuck man! What the fuck is wrong with you? I am NOT trying to hire a machinist!

I am trying to hire a mechanically inclined KID with decent work ethics, fresh out of high-school, that does not want to work at a burger joint.
I am sure there is a great candidate stuck flipping burgers within 10 miles of me right now who would take a pay cut to come work here. I just need to find him.
For fuck's fucking sake!

Originally Posted by as9100d

The difference is I had the balls to risk my own money, you didnt.

Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the USA. He's 22 miles away from the 5th largest city in the USA.... problem isnt the lack of people, its the lack of something else.

I asked my 2 employees that came from the phx area what they were getting paid at their last job and both were making around $28 an hour at modern industries.

OK, I see you risked money so you know best... carry on.

ps. If you read my posts you will see I clearly said I had no interest in owning a shop. If you don't want to cook, don't cook. Don't want to drive, ride a bike. Who cares??

All you have done is try and belittle wheelie for HIS choices. His (and most likely everyone here) has their own idea of what is "right" and what they want out of life. There are guys out there content to sit in front of a molding press all day and sweat their ass off unloading and trimming parts all day... their business I guess....

Originally Posted by gustafson

So having a bathroom is now like a nice warm welcome

35 an hour is a million dollars

how old are you?

pathetic

I'm sure you were referring to my post, evidently I wasn't being serious in terms of pay, but anyway fuck you.

What I think Wheelie is looking for in a worker and his expectations are reasoneable. Although I would add a bathroom. Even a chemical toilet in a plywood 4x4 room in the corner is better than nothing.

Originally Posted by wheelieking71

Fuck man! What the fuck is wrong with you? I am NOT trying to hire a machinist!

I am trying to hire a mechanically inclined KID with decent work ethics, fresh out of high-school, that does not want to work at a burger joint.
For fuck's fucking sake!

Oh man we all get that....hows that working out for you?



Ill just leave this here.....Be careful about all the bitching you do...Might come back to bite you in the ass for breaking osha laws.

Originally Posted by as9100d

The difference is I had the balls to risk my own money, you didnt.

Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the USA. He's 22 miles away from the 5th largest city in the USA.... problem isnt the lack of people, its the lack of something else.

I asked my 2 employees that came from the phx area what they were getting paid at their last job and both were making around $28 an hour at modern industries.

OK and..?

I lived in Beaufort, SC. I made $70k year salary. It had a population of just over 12k in 2010 (I was there 2013-2014). What does that have to do with anything? Just because it is a giant city doesn't necessarily mean there is more talent, regardless of industry. Sure, the odds go up.... but nothing is concrete.

Originally Posted by Mike1974

OK and..?

I lived in Beaufort, SC. I made $70k year salary. It had a population of just over 12k in 2010 (I was there 2013-2014). What does that have to do with anything? Just because it is a giant city doesn't necessarily mean there is more talent, regardless of industry. Sure, the odds go up.... but nothing is concrete.

If I can find employees with my limited population, surely the 5th largest city in the usa can have an easier time finding employees...Hard to find someone worth a shit when in-n-out pays more than what youre offering.

SOMEBODY is giving ortlt some competition for the "Most Conceited Machinist" prize.

Just sayin'............

oh no id never get that prize...im a terrible machinist now. I just specialize in "gettin that money"

Originally Posted by as9100d

oh no id never get that prize...im a terrible machinist now. I just specialize in "gettin that money"

OK how about self absorbed asshole?

Originally Posted by CAMasochism

OK how about self absorbed asshole?

self absorbed? I'm here giving advice to a without regard to my own interests or feelings so clearly you dont know what self absorbed is.

Like wheelie I too have a small shop and am always looking for help . I give him a lot of credit for putting it out there . After see all the crap some of you are throwing at him because he wants to live his life and run his business his way Jesus calm down. Not everyone aspires to be the next Howard hughs he started with a tool and die shop . A lot of us can’t compete with wages and bennies because we’re too small . Sure the more people you have the easier that gets but sometimes it’s like feeding a monster .just saying

Originally Posted by wheelieking71

....
I am trying to hire a mechanically inclined KID with decent work ethics, fresh out of high-school, that does not want to work at a burger joint.
.....!

Do not know your area but another spot to check out is where the junior hot-rodders hang out on the weekend.
Look for the kid with no money that is hacking together his own terrible looking car, not the guy with flash.
"Did you build this? Tell me about it".
Bob

Originally Posted by upm2019

Like wheelie I too have a small shop and am always looking for help . I give him a lot of credit for putting it out there . After see all the crap some of you are throwing at him because he wants to live his life and run his business his way Jesus calm down. Not everyone aspires to be the next Howard hughs he started with a tool and die shop . A lot of us can’t compete with wages and bennies because we’re too small . Sure the more people you have the easier that gets but sometimes it’s like feeding a monster .just saying

Its not about him wanting to live his life with the small mom/pop shop...nothing wrong with that. The issue is:

1) he comes on here to bitch about not finding good employees
2) we find out he pays $12.50 an hour which is 50 cents more than minimum wage for a semi to skilled job
3) we suggest he pay more and he says "not enough money in the jobs to pay more"
4) we suggest he isnt charging enough money and suggest options for higher paying work
5) he doesnt want to do anything different to get higher paying work

so we have come full circle...

He doesnt want to grow his shop, he doesnt want to pay a fair wage, he doesnt want to do actions that can get higher paying work. HE WANTS TO COME HERE AND BITCH ABOUT BEING A TIGHTWAD OSHA LAW BREAKING BOSS.

Originally Posted by as9100d

self absorbed? I'm here giving advice to a without regard to my own interests or feelings so clearly you dont know what self absorbed is.

All you ever do is offer your advice.
Do you realize how likable people who continually push their advice on people who didn't ask for it are?
Not very likable at all.

Originally Posted by as9100d

Its not about him wanting to live his life with the small mom/pop shop...nothing wrong with that. The issue is:

1) he comes on here to bitch about not finding good employees
2) we find out he pays $12.50 an hour which is 50 cents more than minimum wage for a semi to skilled job
3) we suggest he pay more and he says "not enough money in the jobs to pay more"
4) we suggest he isnt charging enough money and suggest options for higher paying work
5) he doesnt want to do anything different to get higher paying work

so we have come full circle...

He doesnt want to grow his shop, he doesnt want to pay a fair wage, he doesnt want to do actions that can get higher paying work. HE WANTS TO COME HERE AND BITCH ABOUT BEING A TIGHTWAD OSHA LAW BREAKING BOSS.

Some of you idiots can't fucking read..............