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    Far be it from me to complain that a hiring selection thread degrades off the arrival of "the usual" looter-lie-bore-all sandalista foot sojers turning it into yet-another blame-bash whining shitfest over how that evil bastard Trump weaponized COVID-19 to inconvenience Dumbasscraptic swamp rats and looter snowflakes.....etc, etc, etc.

    I'm just unsubscribing and waddling off to do more useful stuff.

    Enjoy the s**t.

    Might try "Sweet Baby Ray" BBQ sauce on it whilst still warm?



    BYE
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Now there's a laugher. Trump signs an order to find the very best qualified people for any government job. His daughter, Ivanka, is chosen to head up the effort.

    Her experience includes modeling, the diamond business, reality TV, and having others' fashion designs copied in China and sold under her own brand. She graduated a couple levels down with a business BA (cum laude, rather than magna cum laude or summa cum laude) so it's a good thing we're not counting that.

    Jared was apparently too busy begging around the world for loans to prop up the family real estate business, negotiating peace and real estate deals in the Middle East, solving the opioid crisis, dealing with Mexico, being point man for China, improving Veteran health care, reforming criminal justice, and reinventing government so it doesn't screw up stuff like the CoViD pandemic. Man's doing a helluva job, too, and I mean that in the how could those things be any further screwed up way.

    Meanwhile we have the most corrupt and incompetent Cabinet in recent history; apparently specially handpicked for their "experience" screwing citizens and/or as Fox News commentators. Large numbers have left, either as criminals or shaking their heads at what an idiot their boss is.

    You libs would criticize Donald Trump for eating breakfast. No matter what he does, you are critical.

    The reason for your criticism is that you would prefer a demented carpetbagger for a president - one who will be in a home within 6 months, leaving his VP to rule in a new liberal America, one with no statues, no history, no understanding of the past.

    It's gonna be fun to watch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    China was the original source of this misery -- and they covered it up for weeks. They then aggressively hopped on to it and later began a huge PR campaign to make themselves look better.
    Just a factual fly-by on this comment -- you can easily check the dates.

    End of December (28 to 31, about) the first deaths were recorded in Wuhan. Perhaps some earlier that were missed. This virus had never been seen before in humans, although the city officials in Wuhan should have recognized this sooner (after SARS an early warning system had been put in place) ... well, they didn't. Remind me how well the US Air Force did on 9/11 after sucking up hundreds of billions of dollars annually to "protect us from an attack by enemies."

    Wuhan city fucked up yet by January 17 Germany had created a regimen for testing. That's a little over two weeks, starting from scratch, and by a foreign nation, which would seem to indicate some level of international cooperation.

    By January 23 the entire city of Wuhan, 11 million people, had been cordoned off.

    By January 28 the rest of China instituted travel bans and effective measures against transmission.

    I needed to go to Hong Kong and it was becoming obvious that that would be shut off very soon as well, so I can testify that as of February 3 and 4, the airports were ghost towns. Three or four flights a day still running - anywhere. Locally, internationally, at all. I think on the 7th or 8th even Hong Kong was closed off.

    February 9 we thought it would ease up - ha ! - the entire country shut down for three weeks. We all watched the graphs daily. They followed predictions, which is what happens when you do what you need to do to control a viral epidemic.

    Then on March 1 it was pretty much over. Opened up a little gradually since people were tentative but by the next week, it was over over. Minimum disruption, minimum hardship.

    This is all documented right here, in the thread by someone who wondered what happened to his order for some radiators -- on a daily basis. Feet on the ground feedback, with 8 x 10 glossies with circles and arrows on the back.

    Apparently y'all are just like the judge in that case.

    If there was a CDC request to intervene in January, denied -- with the benefit of hindsight that was the correct decision. From their later performance we can see that the CDC is a bunch of clowns. Their help would have been like asking your local Little League coach to come make decisions in an NL playoff game.

    The World Health Organization did send a team in early February, which made a report in mid-to-late February, documenting the situation. It was a positive report, for which they got blasted. Unfortunately for the rest of the world, it was accurate, as we can see by the current covid-19 charts. Perhaps if people had listened instead of pointing fingers things would be a lot better now.

    Even while Italy was drowning in deaths, the US did nothing effective. Some window-dressing and name-calling but that's it.

    Propaganda, no. Counterpropaganda, after the orange idiot and his minions started throwing turds at the viewers, yes. Was it effective ? not in Turdland, I am sure, but perhaps in other nonaligned countries. I have no idea. If someone throws turds at you, what is the proper response ? Reason and facts don't work well, we can see that. Even normally rational people like Pete here are sticking to the Trump story.

    China did a great job dealing with this. South Korea did a good job. (I find it hilarious that South Korea is charging that church for millions of dollars. Good, they get what they deserve.) Taiwan and Hong Kong also. Even Japan looks to have been a successful approach. The west tossed away several months' head start and several good models to follow from hubris. Anybody remember their greek drama ? Why did Oedipus end up tearing his eyes out, screaming in the wilderness ?

    Anyway, those are the facts as reported as they happened right here with names and dates and you can make of it what you will. If even I could be reporting on this as it happened then I see no excuse for why the entire security apparatus of Washington DC did not have a clue. Certainly any independent observer is not going to come to PeteM's conclusions.

    Meanwhile, our own ham-handed handling has made it far worse in mortality, damage to our economy, and the eyes of the world than the country that was ground zero for this.
    "The country that was ground zero" is a dangerous way to think. This is a disease. Diseases can and do and have originated anywhere in the world, even the US (probably the 1918 flu, for instance). If the next one starts in Wyoming, that "ground zero" thing will boomerang on its thrower. Better to not do that.

    It's a virus. Viruses don't care about freedom, democracy, communism, socialism, Marlboro Men or flaming queens, Pamela Anderson or Shirley Chisholm. It's better to drop that crap and work towards eradicating it instead of doing all this weirdo stuff.

    The US is crazy. I never in my life could have predicted that you guys would fuck this up this badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman109 View Post
    You libs would criticize Donald Trump for eating breakfast. No matter what he does, you are critical.

    The reason for your criticism is that you would prefer a demented carpetbagger for a president - one who will be in a home within 6 months, leaving his VP to rule in a new liberal America, one with no statues, no history, no understanding of the past.

    It's gonna be fun to watch.

    While we are at it maybe we should put some Hitler statues up so people can remember history. That's how it works, right? Churches could start decorating with Satan statues so church people can remember what Satan is all about. You trump cult members are total lunatics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    . . . Your background with Ford didn’t you have a good inside track to get in? What kind of degree did you have when they dressed you up in required boors, safety glass, pens, pencils and pocket protectors. . . .

    Whole hiring process was different back then. I wanted to learn manufacturing after a curriculum centered around design, engineering, human factors psychology etc. A Ford plant with just about every manufacturing process and 6000 employees seemed the perfect place to do that. I had shop experience (grew up that way, had my own shop or lab since grade school and the large trunk of my car fitted with tool boxes in college) and ended up with keys and 24x7 access to the best wood shop (theater scene shop), metal shop (mechanical engineering R&D shop) and photo lab on campus.

    But I wasn't really qualified for the job I applied for.

    The guy who interviewed me, the plant's VP of Engineering grew up as a tough kid, Golden Gloves boxer, who came up through the ranks. Whatever was on my resume was enough to get an interview and the job. Gene was a terrific boss and mentor -- and went on to become a Ford plant manager elsewhere. I learned a tremendous amount in the three years I stayed, before starting a first company. Today, who knows if I'd get that interview? Or if a kid out of grad school went even have that sort of opportunity available? . The AI or simple check lists now used for screening might have me missing the right check box.

    Later on, I did some work on human decision-making. Turns out that even old school hiring processes used a "kick out" criterion to shorten a stack of resumes from a few inches tall down to a manageable few. Often it was a college degree from one of a few favored schools. One sales manager I met, with one of those Eastern European names that went xxxxxxxxxsky said his was simple. If they spelled his name wrong on the cover letter, they got kicked out. Figured, not entirely incorrectly, they wouldn't make a good sales rep. Apparently more than half managed to screw it up.

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    To add, on the topic of requiring resumes in a text readable format and using software to screen them out -- the big problem isn't (IMO) that they have "kick out" criteria -- but that they can't (at least yet) recognize the potential for a candidate to add value in unexpected ways.

    A lot of hiring is like filling in a missing piece of a puzzle. The company thinks everything is there, except these one or two missing pieces. In that scenario, they never get more than they used to have or can envision. Kind of like a small-ball basketball team looking for a big man to put under the basket, to replace the seven rebounds a game guy that just left.

    A good hiring process is open to exceptional candidates who (upon interviewing, testing, checking) can add something extra and unanticipated to a team. Some great candidates (suppliers, etc.) used to find creative ways to get a foot in the door. When risk-averse companies make everything go through the same bureaucratic HR process, great candidates tend to get filtered out.

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    What, three or four posts relevant to the subject and the rest nothing but flamewar? Wrong subforum. If you actually own or run a business and your response to the OP is the typed equivalent of SJW statue-toppling, you must be unsuccessful and desperate for a scapegoat. I endured eight years of Clinton and eight years of Obama and couldn't stand to listen to or watch either of them, and my business survived and prospered because I was responsible for success or failure, not them.

    It gets hard to want to contribute anything technical when you have to wade through two pages of vitriol. Thermite shouldn't have bailed, he seems to have sufficient time on his hands, but I definitely get it.

    "What are your hiring preferences vis à vis educational certs?"
    "Oh, that...Orange Man Bad!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldwrench View Post
    "What are your hiring preferences vis à vis educational certs?"
    "Oh, that...Orange Man Bad!"
    Will there ever be a time when you recognize that "Orange Man" is indeed bad? How much worse does he have to get when he doesn't care about Russians putting bounties on US troops?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman109 View Post
    You libs would criticize Donald Trump for eating breakfast. No matter what he does, you are critical.

    The reason for your criticism is that you would prefer a demented carpetbagger for a president
    I'm pretty damn sure you already have one of those.

    PDW

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    Blind allegiance to ANY political party is...Blind to begin with. As I see it, one of the most dangerous threats to our democracy. US is no longer the leader of the free world. We are weak. We are banned from traveling to many countries because he refuses to get his shit together. Maybe not refuses, does not have the ability or conviction. Call it what you want if you cannot see it for what it is. Colin Powell said it best. Liar and bad for the country.
    Any responsible adult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scruffy887 View Post
    Blind allegiance to ANY political party is...Blind to begin with. As I see it, one of the most dangerous threats to our democracy. US is no longer the leader of the free world. We are weak. We are banned from traveling to many countries because he refuses to get his shit together. Maybe not refuses, does not have the ability or conviction. Call it what you want if you cannot see it for what it is. Colin Powell said it best. Liar and bad for the country.
    Any responsible adult.

    So you blame Trump for the EU's ban on travelers from the US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman109 View Post
    So you blame Trump for the EU's ban on travelers from the US?
    Could make a good case for that, yes. Intelligent leadership (or the lack of it) is the only reason the US is so much worse off than, say, Italy. Or Greece.

    You can't even do as well as Greece. Funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    To add, on the topic of requiring resumes in a text readable format and using software to screen them out -- the big problem isn't (IMO) that they have "kick out" criteria -- but that they can't (at least yet) recognize the potential for a candidate to add value in unexpected ways.

    A lot of hiring is like filling in a missing piece of a puzzle. The company thinks everything is there, except these one or two missing pieces. In that scenario, they never get more than they used to have or can envision. Kind of like a small-ball basketball team looking for a big man to put under the basket, to replace the seven rebounds a game guy that just left.

    A good hiring process is open to exceptional candidates who (upon interviewing, testing, checking) can add something extra and unanticipated to a team. Some great candidates (suppliers, etc.) used to find creative ways to get a foot in the door. When risk-averse companies make everything go through the same bureaucratic HR process, great candidates tend to get filtered out.
    To paraphrase a friend who started a tech company that now has about 75 employees: We hire for spark and for personality because all the qualifications are commodities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
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    A good hiring process is open to exceptional candidates who (upon interviewing, testing, checking) can add something extra and unanticipated to a team. Some great candidates (suppliers, etc.) used to find creative ways to get a foot in the door. When risk-averse companies make everything go through the same bureaucratic HR process, great candidates tend to get filtered out.
    Today is not the old days.
    Not gonna get to the interview, test or check in most cases.
    HR is flooded with applications and these are not highly paid rocket scientists processing the huge pile of paperwork.
    So they have to sort on something, so degree or school becomes an easy.
    Not their fault, have to make the big pile smaller somehow.
    Now lets go outside the box. That means lots of interviews with people who know and do the work leading the interview.
    All of this means they are not doing their day jobs but still expected to provide the results of that day job. Hence they do not like it.
    It is not going to change and for sure POTUS has zippo influence over the way it works.
    Bob

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    What started off as a reasonable discussion with a decent topic devolved into shit. Why don't you whiny political assholes take your crap somewhere else. Is this site "Practical Politician"? You guys could ruin an anvil with a rubber hammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Could make a good case for that, yes. Intelligent leadership (or the lack of it) is the only reason the US is so much worse off than, say, Italy. Or Greece.

    You can't even do as well as Greece. Funny.
    You make a statement that Trump is to blame for the EU travel ban, yet you offer no facts or mechanism that connects the action to Trump.

    Sounds like BS to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rewt View Post
    What started off as a reasonable discussion with a decent topic devolved into shit. Why don't you whiny political assholes take your crap somewhere else. Is this site "Practical Politician"? You guys could ruin an anvil with a rubber hammer.
    Yah well.. parasites can only f** with the tolerance and patient good nature of their betters for but so long before they gets pissed, treated to the slow agony of piperazine adipate treatment, starved, paralyzed .. then purged as part of a pile of steaming feces.

    A sore messy cleanup should be avoidable?

    Whilst away, I've ceased messing with the faster-than-light drive for me Old Age tour of the local universe "SUV"... and gone over to workin' on that not-to-be-resisted pogue-bait anvil you mentioned.

    Got's the concept worked out. The looter-lie-bore-all will only be able to make exactly ONE appearance on their greedy approach to that anvil carrying their usual evil baggage of dried horseturd for virtue-signalling photo ID, wet noodle whips, and crumbling open-cell urea-shamed brains for hammers.

    Then .. event horizon flash... and "end of problem."

    The only hard injun-earring challenge still to be dealt with?

    How TF to aim the G-dam' Hawking radiation more accurately?

    Not as trival an exercise as all that. Serious pee-bringer!

    Bugger has been MISSING the damned San Andreas garbage scow dump-door latchworks and only settin' off the odd forest fire in the tests.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman109 View Post
    You make a statement that Trump is to blame for the EU travel ban, yet you offer no facts or mechanism that connects the action to Trump.

    Sounds like BS to me.
    POTUS leads the country. Fail. World sees it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scruffy887 View Post
    POTUS leads the country. ^^^ succeed ^^^. World sees it. ^^^ and reciprocates ^^^
    Fixed that for the benefit of those still literate.

    A travel ban - more accurately, restriction with prudent quarantining, not outright "ban" - is a Very Good Thing when a pandemic remains on the loose. Why would they NOT?

    As an American citizen, I have nought but praise and respect for those, all nations, who were wise enough to implement such.

    As a European citizen, I have nought but praise and respect for those, all nations, who were wise enough to implement such.

    Ignorant, klewless, WHINING blame-game Sandalista F**kwits with heads in perpetual rectal defilade shall have to seek their own grace, regardless of national origin.

    Start on that whenever you feel up to the effort of a painful initial extraction. Delay ye not! Autopsies indicate ear flaps tend to graft to the descending colon if HUTU is long maintained.

    Your mission, should you choose to extract it, is to discover that a very different world awaits your wondering gaze, ever you manage to get your eyes above the rim of the personal "event horizon" others simply call an "anal sphincter".;

    AKA?

    Asshole!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman109 View Post
    You make a statement that Trump is to blame...
    I am glad I never had you for an attorney, because your understanding of the English language sucks balls.


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