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    I think the whole process is silly and sad - and wrong.

    At least in europe, the big companies and process industries all have liability and ongoing-process insurance, and would rather re-process materials than deliver faulty stuff.
    It costs them maybe 1% extra to re-run a batch, and thus they have high incentive to do-well rather than sell substandard stuff.

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    Video on why the bad extrusion caused failure of the two missions: YouTube

    Scott's got lots of interesting space and physics related vids on his YT site, worth going through during coffee breaks.

    It's sort of shocking to me that the bad (too soft) material wasn't caught in ground testing, I think the satellite contractor bears some responsibility here too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanermo View Post
    I think the whole process is silly and sad - and wrong.

    At least in europe, the big companies and process industries all have liability and ongoing-process insurance, and would rather re-process materials than deliver faulty stuff.
    It costs them maybe 1% extra to re-run a batch, and thus they have high incentive to do-well rather than sell substandard stuff.



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    Quote Originally Posted by plastikdreams View Post
    I find it relatively hard to believe that such a large company would do such a thing...
    I stopped thinking that after hundreds of BP knowingly polluting, Enron gaming the entire energy sector and being applauded for it, Halliburton defrauding the military, Goldman Sachs taking down the economy (and also running their own aluminum warehousing scam), GM knowingly killing customers because they didn't want to fix an ignition switch, VW gaming the system, people actually thinking "you're fired" and screwing subcontractors is the key to business acumen, Bernie Madoff celebrated as a money-making genius, the swamp creatures picked for Cabinet slots, Shkreli making a literal killing in pharma, Worldcom, Purdue Pharma addicting and killing more than heroin, the equivalent of new Super Fund sites created at a fast clip, etc. etc. examples.

    We've condoned a culture where people are celebrated for being rich, not how they earned that money. And when caught, they get a slap on the wrist, with citizens picking up the tab.

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    I wonder who is liable in similar situations. We get certs from Nucor or CG on steel; we build product, if product fails due to faulty material who is responsible - financially and ethically?
    A satellite fails and it is only dollars, a bridge fails and it is life and limb.
    Big companies would never do such things as falsify testing, that is what subsidiaries are for.

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    When the Brooklyn Bridge was being built, I understand that the company making the cables kept submitting the same samples for test.

    Look up Spanish American war embalmed meat.

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    Seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by hanermo View Post

    At least in europe, the big companies and process industries all have liability and ongoing-process insurance, and would rather re-process materials than deliver faulty stuff.
    It costs them maybe 1% extra to re-run a batch, and thus they have high incentive to do-well rather than sell substandard stuff.
    Everyone but Ox let this shit slide?

    Seriously?

    So Columbus took all the crooks with him to infuse America just so Europe can be left with nothing but Saints?
    Is that what you're implying Hanermo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeymourDumore View Post
    Seriously?

    So Columbus took all the crooks with him to infuse America just so Europe can be left with nothing but Saints?
    Is that what you're implying Hanermo?
    Of course, didn't you read the report published by Cambridge analytics? It was funded by Deustche Bank, on the direction of BP. Of course the paper was printed with clean diesel inks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by memphisjed View Post
    Of course, didn't you read the report published by Cambridge analytics? It was funded by Deustche Bank, on the direction of BP. Of course the paper was printed with clean diesel inks.
    For your first two, it's a certain swamp dweller and his fellow snakes that paid for or initiated corrupt practices that CA and DB participated in. But since swamp dweller's (or Individual One's) own Grampy did come to the USA from Germany to avoid the draft, well, I guess your point holds.

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    A few years ago there was a similar situation with substandard fasteners making it into the aerospace supply system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeymourDumore View Post
    Seriously?



    Everyone but Ox let this shit slide?

    Seriously?

    So Columbus took all the crooks with him to infuse America just so Europe can be left with nothing but Saints?
    Is that what you're implying Hanermo?
    You're being you again. That wasn't how I understood what Hanermo wrote. Must be hell living in your world where everything is either black or white.

    How you get "... and thus they have high incentive to do-well rather than sell substandard stuff." back to Columbus is beyond me.

    While you're at it I suggest you brush up on Columbus and "America".

    Christopher Columbus Discovers America, 1492

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeymourDumore View Post
    Seriously?



    Everyone but Ox let this shit slide?

    Seriously?

    So Columbus took all the crooks with him to infuse America just so Europe can be left with nothing but Saints?
    Is that what you're implying Hanermo?
    Having bought a Spanish built Casa, I can confirm that bad workmanship is indeed alive and kicking in Spain!

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Having bought a Spanish built Casa, I can confirm that bad workmanship is indeed alive and kicking in Spain!
    From what I've seen of the standard of many English houses maybe your own countrymen were involved. At least what the Romans built have lasted well

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Having bought a Spanish built Casa, I can confirm that bad workmanship is indeed alive and kicking in Spain!
    See,it's your fault, you should have said that it was Spanish built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    See,it's your fault, you should have said that it was Spanish built.
    Many have bought a house in Spain and many because they were "cheap". OK pleasant climate helps too. Who buys a house anywhere without a thorough check first?

    YouTube

    If I was buying a house in Spain I'd almost certainly contact Hanermo or his wife.

    Ox's "lifted eyebrow" said more than Seymour's version of how and why America was discovered

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    Quote Originally Posted by camscan View Post
    See,it's your fault, you should have said that it was Spanish built.
    I did.
    And I was *trying* to be funny.
    But alas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Who buys a house anywhere without a thorough check first?

    If I was buying a house in Spain I'd almost certainly contact Hanermo or his wife.
    #1...I checked it out first. I'm not *that* stupid
    #2...Why? For what reason? I'd have a beer with Ham that's fo sho but?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    #1...I checked it out first. I'm not *that* stupid
    #2...Why? For what reason? I'd have a beer with Ham that's fo sho but?
    ad 1. I didn't say you didn't but if it was as bad as the impression you gave then why did you buy?
    Regard that as a rhetorical question.

    ad 2. Ham? If you mean Hanermo ask what his wife does. He's also gets involved in her business.

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    For the record, my was mostly to think that you could remelt for 1%.


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    Companies pay the fines. Unfortunately there is no person or persons charged with a crime.
    That is not right.


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