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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleFrank View Post
    The problem came when those stayed in place longer than necessary allowing the Japanese to manipulate trade after they became a world economic power.
    But everybody manipulates trade. The US manipulates trade too, we (I say "we" only because it's a democracy and in the end, it's still our own fault) have decided that banking and knee-breaking will be what the US does, while other countries get the manufacturing.

    Of course they don't dare say that openly, because there would be twelve million pissed-off people who might say something about that at the polls, but it's the truth.

    (After recent events I'm not so sure anyone would vote against the people who stabbed them in the back, if those people just said the right things. Look at Trump and the Repubs - totally fucked over the working class yet huge support. Just act like a total asshole and people will adore you ? Is that the new thing ?)

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    Just look at Canada, pretty hot Justin spent his first term crippling the economy for the polish of virtue, playing himself off as some sort of enviro trans freedom fighter while sending the economic backbone of the economy down the river. Why plan for tomorrow when we can make the sun shine today....
    the real problem is not the politicians, but the brain dead electorate that are voting the stupidity in.
    Let’s take the ndp government in Alberta. Last term they got voted in after 50plus years of conservative government. They where so damn shocked that they actually achieved their goals they totally forgot that they had absolutely know experience or plan to run the province. So elated by their victory they spend the first 2 years “tearing down” the structures they did not like, only to realize those structures where there for a reason.....
    my point is the cost of entry is pretty darn low for a politician,
    In our business you need to fight tooth and nail to get things off the ground. And always be watching it does not fall apart. Yet a political party just needs to preach and hope without having any Damn credentials,ability, or real plan.
    Why do we allow this?
    At this pace the west is bound to fall, if anything for lack of effort to create and maintain systems and infighting with each other about things that hardly matter.
    Simply to damn comfortable living on credit until it runs out.


    Oh, and as for copies of parts. I like what Jhon over at nyc CNC said years back about copyrights. Don’t focus on protecting what you think you have. Focus on producing your parts the best you can with the best price possible.
    You have a head start, now make it efficiently so no one can compete with your

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    And the current GOV is a big buddy to china

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    Seems to be a big enough market market in my neck of the woods for a reasonable quality product. But like many things naturally one has to be selective as to what is worth doing.

    Seen some stuff coming in that looks remarkably similar to what my father toyed around years ago. Pers arent that fussed, never saw enough mark up from the get go to warrant me to bother with.

    Like many parts of the world no shortage of cheap rubbish coming in, even the once brand name stuff. Found a couple of things where folk around are realising arent lasting near as long as previous offerings. Get em in from all over the state to work on at a price thats worth ones while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    This was no accident. It was done with the collusion and even active help of the US Congress and government, for political reasons. They wanted to control the far east and Japan was the key.

    Washington sold manufacturing out for geopolitical schemes, dreams of empire. We ain't shit to them, and haven't been for fifty years.
    Very true. I've noticed that they still want our votes.
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    I guess that's just too bad. There is a very good reason why I'm now independent, and buy only made in USA even on my lowly wage. Most often that means I buy "used" tools, etc. It's called "supporting one's countrymen" even if a decent pair of boots costs me a weeks pay.

    Ultimately the problem is that our society, the elites and the politicians, all have "interests" but no principles. And as always its the "little guy" that bears the cost of it all.

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    Here find a youtube about dikes.
    Seems some USA brands are almost as low priced as China-made and as good or better.

    So for just a low percentage of savings, we lose the work/jobs.

    US vs German Pliers (WIRE CUTTERS)? Knipex vs Snap-On, Irwin, Milwaukee, DeWalt, Craftsman, Wiha - YouTube

    Oh wait, likely you cant call them Dikes anymore

    Diagonal pliers shortened to Dikes.

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    The last breakin and shooting at the place next to my yard,the miscreants left behind some Knipex cutters with a clever compound action.....no bigger than normal 6" wirecutters,but mechanical advantage is enough for my arthritic old hands to cut #8 fencing wire.......the thieves probably scored the cutters at a previous blag.....A cop picked them up,and asked if they were mine ...seeing the Knipex logo,I said yeah,and my dishonesty was rewarded by a $92 price tag from an online hardware.....A couple of years ago I scored a pair of I talian Beta Utensli compound cutters from thieves who cut the fence and dropped their pliers .....simple compound leverage like small boltcutters......Its nice to have good brands ,they just feel better in the hand.

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    The USA today is exactly encapsulated in the movie line..."Greed is good"

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.k View Post
    The last breakin and shooting at the place next to my yard,the miscreants left behind some Knipex cutters with a clever compound action.....no bigger than normal 6" wirecutters,but mechanical advantage is enough for my arthritic old hands to cut #8 fencing wire.......the thieves probably scored the cutters at a previous blag.....A cop picked them up,and asked if they were mine ...seeing the Knipex logo,I said yeah,and my dishonesty was rewarded by a $92 price tag from an online hardware.....A couple of years ago I scored a pair of I talian Beta Utensli compound cutters from thieves who cut the fence and dropped their pliers .....simple compound leverage like small boltcutters......Its nice to have good brands ,they just feel better in the hand.
    Have you given any thought to a "fence charger" ?

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    I think a number of our grubberment people like trade with other countries so they can get free money and phony high paying jobs for their kids.

    It is likely more difficult to extort money from a USA company.

    How can a guy or gal miking $174K become a multi-millionaire in just a few years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    I think a number of our grubberment people like trade with other countries so they can get free money and phony high paying jobs for their kids.

    It is likely more difficult to extort money from a USA company.

    How can a guy or gal miking $174K become a multi-millionaire in just a few years?
    "Making $174K become a multi- millionaire" that one is easy. Get elected to Congress or the Senate.

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    I should have said: How can a guy or gal miking $174K become a multi-millionaire in just a few years with not having some side money coming in, likely under the table.

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    My favourite answer to this was Premier Joh......reporter asked him how he came to have a million shares in a bauxite miner just transferred to his name.....He said "I d be a fool to refuse ,wouldnt I ?....Would you want a fool to be Premier of this great state?....Of course not!".....After much media attention he started to see the benefit of dealing with Koreans and Japs.....this was the start of the brown paper bags handed over in restaurants in Seoul and Tokyo....In those days ,away from the gaze of the media.

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    China has engineering students going all about the world to universities in order to know the subject, so there is little reason to think they have limited talents.
    Very likely the world's marketplace looking for 10 cents off is a prime contributor to China's success, retailers who can make an extra nickel another contributor and government bozos who pocket under the table money and children's high paying phony jobs another.

    Plus the China government where bozos who don't know the subject make key decisions that are subject to fail..like the 3 gorges dam that may be a disaster waiting to happen.

    Oh, and fake news along with public opinion another big contributor to misinformation and being stupid. Just say pigs can fly all day long on every news station, and people will be crashing cars with looking up in the sky for pigs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    But everybody manipulates trade. The US manipulates trade too, we (I say "we" only because it's a democracy and in the end, it's still our own fault) have decided that banking and knee-breaking will be what the US does, while other countries get the manufacturing.

    Of course they don't dare say that openly, because there would be twelve million pissed-off people who might say something about that at the polls, but it's the truth.

    (After recent events I'm not so sure anyone would vote against the people who stabbed them in the back, if those people just said the right things. Look at Trump and the Repubs - totally fucked over the working class yet huge support. Just act like a total asshole and people will adore you ? Is that the new thing ?)
    "I say "we".....? Is "we" China or the U.S.? Hard to keep track as you seem to promote China good, U.S. bad continuously.

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    QT: [Look at Trump and the Repubs - totally fucked over the working class yet huge support. Just act like a total asshole and people will adore you? Is that the new thing ?)]

    And that is your opinion, guess you hope you can say that often enough that everybody will believe you.

    When likely it will start another T or B / B or T argument and get the thread that is supposed to about China shut down.

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    Answer: My car would not start this morning.

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    QT: The US manipulates trade too, we...

    Good to put down the USA. I met a black guy with nothing more than a pick-up truck and a dump trailer who with just that can afford to live in one of the best neighborhoods likely a $300k property, with him and his wife driving almost new cars. And Mike in Detroit, a white guy with just knowing electric stuff install making over $200K a year.
    And that Mexican guy in Oxnard being the top salesman at a Mercedes dealership and them offering him a manager position at their new location.
    And Phil, a red skin guy now in Cheboygan Mi. (Odawa Indian) who rented a stall at a tire shop to do car work, and now he has his own building. And My son Matt with being a mechanic and who is doing very well.

    This country is a mess we need to turn Socialist or Communist to straighten it out.

    We could strive to be like China, whoopee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    Good to put down the USA. I met a black guy with nothing more than a pick-up truck and a dump trailer who with just that can afford to live in one of the best neighborhoods likely a $300k property, with him and his wife driving almost new cars.
    You guys are weird. You call people names and throw around a bunch of garbage, then when you get called on the facts (yes, the US does manipulate trade, and it also subsidizes entire sectors of the economy, e.g. ethanol and tobacco; it's about as much of a "free market" as the Soviet Union) -- when that happens you get all strange and pull fairy tales out your ass about Mike and George and Joey and Paul the Indian / Mexican / black guy / three-toed midget who is doing great, just really great, and it's all thanks to this god-given Special Place that lets anyone who is willing to work become President.

    Bullshit. It's just bullshit. You start it by calling people names, then get bent out of shape when someone points out you're full of shit. Reminds me of pansies who start a fight in the bar then call the cops when they get hit.

    btw, I also know a black guy in Oakland, works his butt off doing scrap, lives in a fallingdown shitbox surrounded by crazed druggies, pickup has the doors tied on with rope and the springs haven't sprung since 1967, has to stick to the back streets, Kato, to avoid the cops impounding his only work truck, slaves his ass off, older than me so he probably saw Columbus arrive but still slingin' 50 gallon drums of chips, goes nowhere. Absolutely nowhere. That's a heck of a lot closer to reality.

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    I think somehow a minority of people in this country have decided that there's a correlation between how loud you are and what percentage of the populous share your opinions?

    I find I agree with most people I interact with up until the point where they interject Trump into the equation and start blaming "the left" for various problems.

    My favorite is the gun control argument that usually somehow leads into a "fuck the protestors" argument. Like the powers that be from whatever side have any interest whatsoever in taking guns away. Way too much money to be made selling guns than taking them away. That seems to be the #1 root reason why Trump is such a great guy in some eyes- He saves our guns. It's difficult to convey that the same exact constitution which protects gun ownership also protects the right to PROTEST.

    I had to remind a very close friend of mine that he was a draft dodger and protestor during Vietnam and he probably would have been right out there in the streets with those protestors if he was 65 years younger. There was no disagreement there, end of subject.

    I'm usually baffled by WTF the relevance is of what they're blathering about?

    I know for a fact most of the loudest of the loud I know deal in cash only and don't pay a dime in taxes.

    Also, and this is a BIG one, these people are still my friends even though we don't share the same political beliefs. All these conversations are friendly and respectful in person.

    I seriously, seriously doubt that any of "hardcore" Trumpers posting here or anywhere would actually escalate a political conversation with me or most anyone if we were talking in person. Most people don't care if you agree with them or not. Because they vote. And that's all that matters.

    There's a lot of fascinating psychology at work here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garwood View Post
    I think somehow a minority of people in this country have decided that there's a correlation between how loud you are and what percentage of the populous share your opinions?

    I find I agree with most people I interact with up until the point where they interject Trump into the equation and start blaming "the left" for various problems.

    My favorite is the gun control argument that usually somehow leads into a "fuck the protestors" argument. Like the powers that be from whatever side have any interest whatsoever in taking guns away. Way too much money to be made selling guns than taking them away. That seems to be the #1 root reason why Trump is such a great guy in some eyes- He saves our guns. It's difficult to convey that the same exact constitution which protects gun ownership also protects the right to PROTEST.

    I had to remind a very close friend of mine that he was a draft dodger and protestor during Vietnam and he probably would have been right out there in the streets with those protestors if he was 65 years younger. There was no disagreement there, end of subject.

    I'm usually baffled by WTF the relevance is of what they're blathering about?

    I know for a fact most of the loudest of the loud I know deal in cash only and don't pay a dime in taxes.

    Also, and this is a BIG one, these people are still my friends even though we don't share the same political beliefs. All these conversations are friendly and respectful in person.

    I seriously, seriously doubt that any of "hardcore" Trumpers posting here or anywhere would actually escalate a political conversation with me or most anyone if we were talking in person. Most people don't care if you agree with them or not. Because they vote. And that's all that matters.

    There's a lot of fascinating psychology at work here.


    You should see the faces when I point out that Trump did more to hurt 2A rights in 4 years than Obama did in 8.

    Usually they just say "Well, that doesn't affect me, so it doesn't matter"....

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