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    You mean folks don't "tar" their driveways anymore?

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    Oh, God. So story time. There is this exemption (exclusion? Crap, can't recall) to hazardous waste rules that was called "beneficial reuse," and it was WIDELY abused through what is called "sham recycling" (making things go away under the guise of using them for a process to apply the exemption). In 2015 new Federal rules went into affect on what is now the "verified recycler exclusion," and as part of the State-level rollout the WI DNR put out a presentation on some examples of past abuses that lead to the clarification of the regulations.

    One of the examples was a company taking all its old flammable (and some lead-based) paint and pouring it all over their parking lot. Obviously it was to dry the paint so they didn't have to deal with hazardous (D001/D008 codes) waste... but when the DNR came sniffing they claimed the "Beneficial Reuse" exemption saying they were using the paint to create an advertisement visible from airplanes in their parking lot.

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    OK, how is pouring it out to dry a problem?

    Isn't that how it was intended to dry when it was manufactured?

    That is exactly how I have been dealing with legacy paints and varnishes that I seem to have inherited these last few years. I started with just leaving the lids off and puting them on the top shelf of the pallet racking and forgetting about them for 2-3 years, but when I took them back down - they grew thick skin and that's it.

    So I tried keeping the skin broken once a day and leaving sit in the sun. That was getting me no-where's fast!

    So I finally took a bunch of old cardboard and laid on the ground outside and poured them out to dry.

    I'm thinking that it dried about the same as if it was used in the original intention. No?


    Maybe it was a problem since they were expecting the daycare kids next door to come eat the paint in the parking lot next door?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    OK, how is pouring it out to dry a problem?
    Brush marks OX....brush marks....

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    Ox, it depends. Pouring latex paint onto cardboard, drying it, then disposing of the cardboard to landfill or whatever wouldn't be an issue. Pouring out old flammable, lead-based paint from shop cleanouts (so not even generated on-site which means most of it was already D001/D008 hazardous waste before they took ownership) onto an asphalt pad out back (which is what the guys were doing in that story) is a whole other matter. I don't want to get too far off topic since RCRA (haz waste reg) is a serious swamp to wade through and well beyond what I wanted to get into in this thread. I can start a new one but lets just say I wouldn't post in a public forum that I was doing what you describe if said paints were flammable. If you want to read up on it a bit Google "use constituting disposal" and go from there...

    I understand regulatory overreach and how expensive compliance with these laws/regulations can be, and I'm not here to preach, just answer questions and hopefully help.

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    Well I don't know if they were flammable or not, but I highly imagine that they went on the fire once they were all dried out anyhow.


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    Waste to Energy! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Finsta View Post
    Waste to Energy! LOL
    HEY !

    I'm Down wind of Ox.....

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    I believe your problems started long before that ....


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    Quote Originally Posted by cyanidekid View Post
    monoethenolamine (MEA) is the flocculant for waste oil that came up on a quick goggle search.
    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatiangirl61 View Post
    Thanks! Maybe I used the wrong search terms? Chemist friend found the MEK solution, there is a printout with the web address somewhere in my unorganized files, but doubt I'll find it today. I'll look into MEA and see whether it is feasible or not.
    MEA is not a flocculant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Finsta View Post
    "Re-refining" is the legal term for the processing of used oil to make it burnable or salable. It has nothing to do with actually being distilled again.
    You might want to fact check that statement and correct yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaMoss View Post
    Can you turn waste oils into biodiesel the way you can with used fry oil from Taco Bell ?
    Ummmmm, no.

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    Thanks for all the entertainment tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shade Tree Welder View Post
    Thanks for all the entertainment tonight.
    Biodesiel sounds like a fun hobby, think of all the free french fries you can
    collect, floating on top of your tanks.....Yuuum !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shade Tree Welder View Post
    You might want to fact check that statement and correct yourself.
    Reel your neck in; that's from Wisconsin Administrative Code - NR679.

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