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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Dan - Pre Accident View Post
    We were kind of fly-by-night in that regard, but we worked very fast and effectively and the boss was making a lot of money very fast. We were very well paid for the times and we all got tons of overtime. During the height of any construction season of the 3 years I worked for that man, I was putting in 70-80 hours a week and I had more money than I knew what to do with.
    Quote Originally Posted by R. Dan - Post Accident
    We went from not having seen safety equipment to having state-of-the-art gear that we used every day.
    I'm curious how you would compare pre accident and post accident efficiency and profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I'm curious how you would compare pre accident and post accident efficiency and profit.
    This was a small local company and we never had more than a dozen hands on board. There weren't a lot of secrets and the owner was always pretty open about the money end. He was making a lot of money and he was proud of it. He also was not stingy when it came to wages and we got nice bonus checks at the end of a construction season. The health insurance he provided his employees at no cost to us was second to none. As far as any benchmarks were concerned, we weren't the only outfit around that was doing what we were doing (jump form silos). We would be in and out on a jobsite while our competition was getting set up. As a group, we could easily observe what the competition was doing around us. Jump form silos go up at a rate of so many feet a day and it's easy to see that progress.

    Our time on a jobsite probably doubled after our accident; I am just guessing on that. It was still pretty profitable according to the owner. I was a friend of his for the rest of his life and he only recently passed away. The accident we had really bothered him however and he never really fully recovered emotionally after that. I personally observed his hair go totally gray in a matter of months. The foreman of that crew who died was like a son to him and he took that man's death very hard. We were all local farm kids and he had previous connections to all of us in one way or another. He ran that business for about 5 years after that but he let it peter out as he got more involved in other endeavors. Even with serious work on improving safety, it was still dangerous work and the guy just lost heart for that type of risk taking. We all did to an extent. A couple guys quit the work after that. The one survivor from the 4 man crew that had the accident has never been right since that day and I have heard that he has been in and out of the hospital ever since.

    Part of the allure of the job for me as a young man was the danger and we were all that way, including the boss. We all thought we were 10' tall and bullet proof. That changed completely for all of us when the chickens came home to roost. As an organization, it was probably the closest group I have ever been a part of.

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    Thank you for that writ, ESPECIALLY considering all the outcomes involved!
    We all need to hear those stories now and aggin, even if some (hopefully most?) of them are re-runs and hopefully in black and white yet to boot!

    The whole 10' tall/bulletproof / allure of danger ... When I was that age, I werked on a big (at the time) dairy farm, and I mentioned to the owner how I hated his caged ladders on the blue silos. I couldn't "run" up the ladder near as fast (catching shoulders on the cage) as I could the open style that I was used to. Of course - this is an issue when you think that you're on the last load that will fit - hoping NOT to plug the pipe...

    He said to me:

    "You would climb a ladder w/o a cage?"

    LOL! Yeah, I would ...
    I'm much more concerned about the ladder being solid than I am about my grip.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    He said to me:

    "You would climb a ladder w/o a cage?"
    And climb it one handed because I had something in my other hand. And once I got to the top walk 100 foot on an I beam to get to the broken crane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Dan View Post
    Our time on a jobsite probably doubled after our accident; I am just guessing on that.
    That's what I was after, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by converterking View Post
    And climb it one handed because I had something in my other hand. And once I got to the top walk 100 foot on an I beam to get to the broken crane.

    I have a structural ladder here in the shop to get to "the grainery" where I have lots of odd tooling stored. I routinely go up and down with sumpthing in one hand, and many times - it's pretty big/heavy.... I like to think the look on the young'uns faces is of amazement, but it could be "He's nuckin' futz!". I'm just not sure....

    I however have no experience with external I-beams, so I hafta bow out now ...


    Quote Originally Posted by R. Dan View Post
    I personally observed his hair go totally gray in a matter of months.


    Jimmy Carter - same time frame too.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    . I like to think the look on the young'uns faces is of amazement, but it could be "He's nuckin' futz!". I'm just not sure....
    Ox
    Could be both. One doesn't exclude the other.

    The question is if you would order or even ask one of the "young'uns" to do that?

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    It's only 8 or 9' up with a ladder that continues to 14' (?).
    It's not much risk....

    Just depends on if your all about challenge, or a bed-wetter....

    Kid werking right now is waiting to go to the service.
    He'll Shirley be climbing less things soon...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    It's only 8 or 9' up with a ladder that continues to 14' (?).
    It's not much risk....

    Just depends on if your all about challenge, or a bed-wetter....

    Kid werking right now is waiting to go to the service.
    He'll Shirley be climbing less things soon...



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    IIRC the OSHA specs (not needed in your case) are 12' -14'.
    It's been awhile since I've looked at that page in the "Beeg Book"

    But when you need it, it needs to start at 8'.....
    As of late, I am seeing a channel (looks like unistrut)
    up the middle of the ladder, for a sliding hook.

    FWIW I like what I am seeing on all the new grain bins around here have,
    a pair of stairs spiraling up the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    It's only 8 or 9' up with a ladder that continues to 14' (?).
    It's not much risk....

    Just depends on if your all about challenge, or a bed-wetter....

    Kid werking right now is waiting to go to the service.
    He'll Shirley be climbing less things soon...



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    The ladders I used to climb were 60 foot tall for overhead cranes. Them kids are probably thinking why you use a ladder, all you would need is a rope.

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    Yeah, well those spiraling staircases sure make a [grain] leg grow up quick!
    IDK what's up with that!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    Yeah, well those spiraling staircases sure make a [grain] leg grow up quick!
    IDK what's up with that!


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    I think it's for when in a full suit with airpack on.

    I notice the tanker trucks, gas & diesel just have a walkway
    (my uncle fell off one) and the more toxic & hazardous, the
    fancier the ladders and walkways.

    Some have stairs, with OSHA 42" & 24" handrails with a 4" toe kick walkways all around.....I don't wanna know what is in there.

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    Avalanche pack?
    On a grain leg?

    I can see it's use inside the bin tho maybe...
    ???

    Freeskier survived avalanche accident with ABS Airbag - YouTube



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    Quote Originally Posted by converterking View Post
    The ladders I used to climb were 60 foot tall for overhead cranes. Them kids are probably thinking why you use a ladder, all you would need is a rope.
    Honestly i don't mind proper fixed ladders one bit, i frigging hate extension ladders and heights don't overly bother me, i much prefer to puruski up a 11mm climbing rope even with multiple digits of drop than i do go as high as a first floor window on a bloody extension ladder. All of the bad experiences i have had with any height has been ladders moving, getting knocked etc. Having just one hand free has never been my issue, hell the very nature of what i have used ladders for has generally dictated using one hand to bring or return something (theater lighting, typical show, may be up - down a 20' ladder a good 30+ times).

    That said, since fucking my knee up ladders have been incredibly painful to climb, std stairs aka circa 6-8" steps aint really too bad, but the spacing on ladder rungs just bends it more than is comfortable.

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    This thread has gone from preventing accidents to "taking unnecessary risks can be fun".

    What’s the difference between an optimist and a pessimist?

    An optimist is the guy who created the airplane.
    A pessimist is the guy who created the parachute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    Avalanche pack?
    On a grain leg?

    I can see it's use inside the bin tho maybe...
    ???

    Freeskier survived avalanche accident with ABS Airbag - YouTube



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    You got to climb UP the ladder to get inside to get DOWN to the victim ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    This thread has gone from preventing accidents to "taking unnecessary risks can be fun".
    What is an "unnecessary risk".

    Driving to the corner store for an ice cream when you do not need it is an "unnecessary risk", yet many would think nothing of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC99 View Post
    What is an "unnecessary risk".

    Driving to the corner store for an ice cream when you do not need it is an "unnecessary risk", yet many would think nothing of it.
    Agree 100%

    You should be driving to the corner store for a rutabaga....

    "Eat your veggies junior".

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