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    Default new guy ,first post ,brought home a a heavy 10 (i think)?

    well ,been looking for a project ,looks like i found one , my first lathe ,looks like its all there ,double tumblers ,with a taper jig, a,few chucks and a center rest . found that theirs wear on the ways in front of the head stock ,i may have the fellows at commerce grinding in Dallas regrind the ways (bout 2200 bucks ,seems fair and they seem to have the expertise? anybody dealt with em ? ) i would still have to have it scraped and the saddle ,fitted ,anybody recommend someone in the Houston or Dallas area ? right now its rough looking ,but the bearings and gears all look ok ,.or maybe i'll just clean it up (take apart ,go thru and repaint )put it back together and see how it cuts ,. like all the other newbies i bought the book (both of em ,one think was authored by a reg. on here ) i am not without skills ,but will take all the help i can get Lol Ray
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    Nice set-up....lots of goodies with it(taper attachment, 5C collet set-up,mic carriage stop,chasing dial,quick change tool post). Doesn't have the wide range gearbox, but, that's o.k. Is the catalog number 187 or 8187? (should be on the thread/feed chart). Depending on what length of work you'll be doing, you may get away with minimal wear on the ways. Take it apart, thoroughly clean and re-felt it, then set it up and test it out. Good luck.PB

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    You need to get it off that roll around cart. Lathes are top heavy, It will go over so fast you just won't believe it. When it does it will break all the hand wheels, cranks and tumbler levers. Many a lathe has been scrapped because it turned over.

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    i was thinking that too . i'll mostly be facing off barrels and threading em ,although would like too maybe do some more creative projects , may be able to work out past the wear with the center rest ? suppose what i"ll do is cut a length a stock once i do a budget restore and measure the drop/wear . the cat# is CL187R anything you can tell me ,im interested in hearing (cant wait to get my hands on those books ) the serial is 5160RkL11 thanks Pack

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    No offense...but there's this thing called capital letters, just makes it easier to read. At least you have punctuation. Other than that good luck and have fun.

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    having it ground is the last thing you want to think about.
    get it up and running and see what it does.
    dropping 2200 plus into this lathe is quite a lot.
    keep looking around and you will probably find that bigger and heavier lathes go for that same 2200$

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    Just year it down clean it up and put it back together.

    Learn how to set it up and use it.

    Keep eyes and ears open for next one...

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    Had a chance to tinker with it a bit , took a part the top of the compound rest ( threads a bit bent ( wobbles when you roll it ) as well as the handle . Had to go slow as I am awaiting the delivery of my tear down manual , got thru without too much damage , lol just a sample , will post a pic when I get to my desk top ( can figure how on this I phone )

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    A couple of things you may want to check out on that particular machine before you try to work it, one is the shaft in the quick change box that the shifters slide on, there is something missing, nothing to keep it working its way out while it's running, another thing you may consider is there is a lot of wear in the back way, seemed like a bunch to the point the saddle was dragging on the flat part of the ways, don't know how all that would effect facing and threading barrels, maybe someone with experience will chime in, just food for thought .

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    looked at the shaft to the QC box that the sifters are mounted on and you can push the shaft out right to left with fingers (whatever retains in place may be missing ., i'm more concerned with the wear on the back way ,measuring with a feeler gauge i get bout .007" clearance from the bottom of the saddle to the way flat on the front side theirs twice as much clearance indicating wear on the saddle and or way . the book arrived today ( a guide to renovating the SB 's ) i did the tightening down the carriage locking bolt test on page 13 ,where as you check the travel of the bolt on both ends of the ways to estimate the wear between the front and back ,of course the bolt is on the front way ,i got about 1/16th turn that equates to not much wear on the front way . the back way clearly has wear as evidenced by some grooving in the first 8 to 10 inches in front of the head stock . still, trying to determine if i have a scrap heap or something i can work with . perhaps i should change out the oil and try to made a few cuts ,i don't think this machines been run in decades .
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    ,been real busy and not much time to mess with it,had the opportunity to take a closer look at the wear on the ways for a better evaluation of the conditions of said ways . I'm thinking there not too dam bad ,course this think thing has seen some heavy use and will be a genuine restore if i go forward with it . moved the headstock off the ways and measured with a starett precision straight edge and shims underneath edge , also made a few measurements with an indicator off the top of the saddle to the underside of the bed (which i don't think is a to reliable ,the carriage has much wear on the back ,where it transverses on the back way . what say you SB Guru's ,is the straight edge method reliable and whats your take on the amount of wear , back way .002" middle way and flat (tail stock ways 0 to .001" ) front way .001" . all the wear is (as to be expected ) immediately in front of the headstock the first 6"'s or so .
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    some pic's of the headstock tear down or rather removal. so hated to cut that belt (appears to be a leather /plastic hybrid ?) also had to beat hell out a that da gone tapered pin in the backgear spindle
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    the belt ?
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    already started on the head stock .found a broke off gear tooth to the quill pinion gear . drug out the oxy/acetylene and silver soder .a little brazing and file work and the tooth is back . may replace gear not sure. does any know is this gear pressed on and is it a bitch to get it off ? on ward we go.
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    Yes, it is pressed together, but the backgear tube with both gears is usually available on ebay for 50-60 bucks. I would just replace the whole thing.

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    I think a better way to evaluate the bed wear is to attach a test indicator to the tailstock and use it as a sled. Run the indicator on each way face in a couple spots along its length. The ways the tailstock ride on should have the least amount of wear and represent the flattest plane remaining on the machine. You should see little to no variance along the headstock, drop off in the area in front of the chuck and then gradually come up as you move to the right end of the machine. You can map it out and then decide what to do. A worn lathe can still do accurate work for short lengths depending on the wear pattern, if the gibs are adjusted to the worn area.

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    i might just see if i can press that gear off ,just to see how doable it is ,but ill probably just replace it .appreciate the advise fellows , fixing to check that back way with the tail and indicator .

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    RRR - I'll be very interested to see how disassembling the back gear quill goes. I'm facing the same issue on my SB 13 - for different reasons, my quill bearings are worn. Best of luck!

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    I let sit for about a year ,just jumped back on it recently ,I acquired a new flame hardened bed and saddle with little to no where at all . went thru the gear box ,headstock and apron ( replaced the apron as I purchased one dirt cheap in excellent condition .)the headstock and gear box have been done and in storage the last year or so. just finished tearing down the drive assembly and rewired all motor and switch gear . had a bitch of a time on the A symmetrical under drive ,cut off the old bearings with a die grinder and pressed in in bearings ,had to drill out the set screw in the babit bearing and re tap threads (a number of modifications to make the marriage of new and old parts work ) its all in good fun ,and hasn't broke my bank (Yet ,lol) just did a crude video of a test of drive and switch gear .ill post the link .not done yet but closer to making chips .under drive / motor /switch test - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonlight machine View Post
    You need to get it off that roll around cart. Lathes are top heavy, It will go over so fast you just won't believe it. When it does it will break all the hand wheels, cranks and tumbler levers. Many a lathe has been scrapped because it turned over.
    You might pinch up to set on a solid stack ..remove the wheels and then pinch it down perhaps by 1/2 inch take outs...

    Be sure both ends of spindle are getting oil, pick chips out of everything. oil all the oil places and give all a good oil wipe and make some chips..

    Much of your work will be less than 2" long so a little wear may not hurt all your needs getting started.. likely your chucks will run .005 or worse so learn to go to centers in a snap..

    But looks like you are past that as it is an olg 2015 thread... and doing a good job..

    Good find ..


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