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    Default F/S 10hp Phase Perfect for Parts

    I have a white 10hp P/P that is maybe a dozen yrs old that apparently had a catastrophic death.

    It has had all (?) the caps replaced, and a new board still in wrapper, and whatnot.
    It is currently at Phase Technologies (name?) in South Dakota with an estimate that makes it not worth repairing.

    Would this be worth $250 for parts to anyone?
    Freight would be from SD. (Rapid City or ?)


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    What's the repair bill if I may ask. also, I assume they still have parts for this unit.

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    The estimate came it at prox $2500.
    That is a worst case scenario I believe, and there is a chance that some of the components that are listed - could be OK, but ....

    A new model equiv was quoted @ $3900 delivered I think.
    So I don't think that I am going to get this one rebuilt.


    When it died, they sent me a whole big "care pkg" with a new board, all new caps, maybe a transistor or two?
    It's been quite a while since that happened that I don't recall totally.

    Anyhow, I put the caps in and fired it up to see if that would work, or if I had to install more parts.
    And it went BOOM.

    I decided to leave it hang for a while.

    I eventually skidded it up and sent it to Rapid City with a pking slip that said "Fix it".

    This estimate is what they responded with, and I just don't think that I am going to play ball.

    So, the caps are all brand new, and the one board is still in bubble wrap, and any other common parts that they sent, are all with it.


    The voice said that some main sumpthing or other "split" or "broke in 2" or sumpthing to that idea anyhow.
    Apparently it does not happen often, but when it does - it's catastrophic, so .....


    Also - the original caps leaked all over the place, and made a mess of things, and they said that much of the fee is cleaning everything back to new.
    So, maybe if you are a whiz bang at electric gizmo's, maybe you could make it work for far less than it will cost me?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    The estimate came it at prox $2500.
    That is a worst case scenario I believe, and there is a chance that some of the components that are listed - could be OK, but ....

    A new model equiv was quoted @ $3900 delivered I think.
    So I don't think that I am going to get this one rebuilt.


    When it died, they sent me a whole big "care pkg" with a new board, all new caps, maybe a transistor or two?
    It's been quite a while since that happened that I don't recall totally.

    Anyhow, I put the caps in and fired it up to see if that would work, or if I had to install more parts.
    And it went BOOM.

    You must have been dog tired and pissed off as well, 'coz I don' figure you for a drinker?

    Of all people to try that sort of half-measure? You wudda been last on my list. Akin to checking how new piston rings fit by running the motor before wasting money on putting any oil into the crankcase?



    You hadda suspect a local glitch or even a near-miss strike off an air-mas thunderstorm had damaged some tiny, cheap component on the brains PCB?

    - Running impaired, trying to haul degrading caps into the challenge had prolly cornfused it.

    - perfect storm, even when there no longer WAS one, and it got the underwear of the control commands to the heavy pass-elements wrapped around the PTO driveshaft. That put them to arm-wrassling.

    They lost.

    The collateral damage wudda borked the brain board even worser.

    ALL those parts hadda go in before power ON.

    ALL.

    Phase Technologies had "seen this movie before", and a lot more than "just the one time".

    That's why the "care package" had in it .... what it had in it.
    Caps. Brains. Pass elements?

    WE might have had to guess.

    THEY already know their failure modes.

    If $2500 gets even a 30-day warranty?

    Goods known to have been HAND sorted after a catastrophic failure - by necessity?

    "Problem children" get closer expert attention and testing from service techs than brand-new EVER see. We knows we hafta.

    $2500 might not be a bad deal, after all?

    I've hadda pay FAR larger "dumbass tax". And "more than just the one time".

    Seen THAT movie before too, ain't we all [1]?



    [1] Three of us put new pistons, rings, valves, rod & main bearings in a tired '55 Poncho wee hours of a bud's garage so we can use the lift for free overnight.

    Junior guy at the time, so I was sent off to clean up the parts warsher.

    Just as I raise-up the oil pickup and pipe that our "master mechanic" had left out laying under the dirty Varsol? The high-revving 389 "Trophy V8" screams agonizing death .... to the brand-new bearings.

    "Hey DAVE!!!"

    ...had come too late!!

    BFD. We just booked the next night. And were more careful!

    I THINK that's the first time I got promoted to "Manager".. to tick the boxes and keep better men from f**ing up.

    Never did forget the most important part.

    "Better men" is what they've ALWAYS been. Too much like "work" to traffic with anything less.

    Lazy, Iyam.


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    Not a drinker.

    My dad got his britch caught in the PTO, not me.

    He's the one that had to [try to] run for the truck along the US hwy in only his tighty whitey's. Not me.

    If'n yuhr gunna tell stories, at least make sure that you git the players right!


    I didn't expect that a possible bad board would cause a transistor to blow, and I am pretty sure that;s not the cause now either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    Not a drinker.

    My dad got his britch caught in the PTO, not me.

    He's the one that had to [try to] run for the truck along the US hwy in only his tighty whitey's. Not me.

    If'n yuhr gunna tell stories, at least make sure that you git the players right!
    Meahhh.. One Buckeye in shredded smalls looks the same as any other to blacksnakes, copperheads, and Ridge-Runners...




    I didn't expect that a possible bad board would cause a transistor to blow, and I am pretty sure that;s not the cause now either.
    Well Darlingtons or IGBT's ain't any more independent-minded that Lee de Forest's first "Audion" Hollow-state triode or Bill Shockley's first dirty-semi-metal lab effort.

    Sumthin' hasta TELL them how to act.

    Until then, they are a fair decent very high value RESISTOR and willing to go stone-blind before they will even fart a squeeker, let alone take a dump. "Semi" in "semi-CONDUCTOR" means exactly what it says it means.

    If that were NOT their associated control board onpassing their marching orders?

    ?

    You shuddna let 'em have that 3-day pass to go off and rot their tiny minds doin' "recreational" drugs with that rowdy biker gang two counties over?

    Must be "blown transistors" voting for "Hollow State" pretezelbents?

    Amish must have see this electronic-age s**t coming?
    Hard enough times force it you can EAT a horse.



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    i'm interested. how much we looking at for shipping to 98110. have loading dock if it makes any difference.

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    I'll check


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    There is a tech school in Mankato Mn. that has an electronics dept. who will fix anything for the cost of materials, as education... They once repaired my plasma cutter that I was told by the company "If we had a rebuilt board, it would be $900.00, but we do not have any for that obsolete model, so you'll have to purchase a new machine." (it was a year old) My cost at the time was 1 week, and $2.16. I was told most tech schools do that sort of thing for whatever classes they have, be it electronics, autobody, auto mechanics, etc. Real world practice.
    I would try that approach. My plasma still works, some 20 years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johansen View Post
    i'm interested. how much we looking at for shipping to 98110. have loading dock if it makes any difference.

    edit:

    They quoted shipping it back to me, when I clearly asked for a price to your zip.

    Will be back with that shortly.



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    He says that he needs full address to git a shipping quote to you.

    You can just e-mail it to me.
    There is a link if you click my name in the ULH corner of the post.


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    I got this fella the shipping costs offline, but one thing that I want to add here for others that may be interested is:



    They said that they would include a cheat sheet for all the parts, and it is possible that some may not be needed, but ???

    All the parts total $1800, they were charging another $700 for labor to clean and repair.
    He told me that they would spend much time cleaning goop that oozed out of the big caps.
    It likely doesn't "need" to be cleaned up perfectly, but for them to call it "fixed" and warranted, they felt that they need to make it spick and span.


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    did you get my email

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    I got the one with your [chums] address - yes.

    You should have gotten a reply with the shipping cost.

    Have you gotten that?
    Well, I guess there is no reason not to post that out here:

    $460 from Rapid City to your chums dock.
    Your house will likely be another $100.
    They are docking heavily for residential right now.




    I have not heard since that.

    And maybe you want to check freight rates yourself - from Rapid City.
    140# @ class 125 via XPO Logistics was what they quoted.


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    Found your email in my spam box.


    usp ground is quoting me

    338$ for 145 pounds, 41" high by 23 by 31" (dimensions of the unit plus 6 on each side.)
    193$ for 145 pounds, 26 by 18 by 38" high.

    I assume this doesn't include the 3R kit and breaker.

    so if they just put it in a cardboard box with 1" of medium hard foam around it, shipping should be less than 200$. and if they have an account i'd imagine its cheaper than that.

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    I shipped it out on a full skid. It's half torn a part. Plus there is a box of spare parts, so - it's gunna need more than the min.

    Certainly you can issue the pick--up on you line.



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    I hate to top this thread for no reason, but this appears to be a done deal at this time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    I hate to top this thread for no reason, but this appears to be a done deal at this time.
    Enough of us have P-P I'd hope we hear back from the new owner in due course as to whether it was resuscitated easily, with difficulty, cheaply, expensively .. or even not at all?

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