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DC Drives, Single Phase and 3ph input, RPC

rpseguin

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Can someone please elaborate on why DC drives would be particular about their power input?

Ie, why would they complain about input from a rotary phase converter?

And would 3ph drives take 1ph input like many VFDs?

It will be three-phase-only and "digitally controlled"... same PLA guts as they use for VFD with the hundreds of numbers to poke in with tiny screen and keypad instead of an ignorant screwdriver using Analog trimpots as "NVRAM".

"Defunct" translation: With all the USA regulatory and filing burdens, their profit margin was non-existent since even the heavily-taxed Brits are still allowed to sell them at lower retail prices!

Worse for Parker, Eurotherm/Invensys, FORMER owner of Shackelton Systems Development - is now part of massive Groupe Schneider - and also selling differently-arranged versions, too.

And they have added features!

See UK & European listings.

They haven't yet outsourced ALL their brains to China ... as we seem to have done.

Or to Japan, in KB-Penta, Saftronics, or Control Techniques' cases - all owned by Nidec.

As-of last week, anyway.

Can't keep track of the players without a race program.. or maybe even radioisotope tracers and DNA tests?

:(

Sabina is still independent , 52 years and counting.

Sabina - Motors, Controls, Custom Systems, Service & Repair

Even has third-party support, 30-plus years.. and counting.

Sabina DC Drive Repair and Overview - EMA Inc.

The 3-Phase-only drive they supplied 1969-70 onward still ships, brand-new. At up to 1,000 HP or so. And in "4Q" as well as "1Q".

Model 8800 is 4 Quad regenerative DC Drive

If you have the coin for it.

And proper 3-Phase power - or a really good imitation, thereof.

I still think the 514C-32 SSD @ around USD $ 1,100, new, ex UK, can make chips "enough" off 50A or so single-phase.
 
Despite being set up for single phase, those 10EE systems seem to run just fine.... very smooth, and no complaints...... The users would have had several fits if they were rough.
 
VFD's for single or 3 phase input (with no derating), the most common size are up to 3 Hp, and very few at 5 Hp and higher. Beyond that point on they are mostly limited to 3 phase input models and they need to be derated for single phase input, and the derating can be significant. Feeding a 3 phase VFD with an RPC, there is a smaller derating value and some loss in efficiencies. There are DC drives that can run on both single and 3 phase AC, but A similar situation to 3 phase VFD's can occur with DC drives if they are specifically designed for 3 phase input and you try to run them on single phase. Electricity comes in many forms and they are not interchangeable unless built into the design. The 10EE was designed for single phase input, the coolant pump was 3 phase. Not an engineer, but I would expect similar issues of increased THD when using a three phase power supply with single phase AC.

Example of drives below:
DC Drives - Analog & Digital 3-Phase DC, Single Phase | Bardac Drives
 
................. Not an engineer, but I would expect similar issues of increased THD when using a three phase power supply with single phase AC.
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Single phase loads unbalance the 3 phase somewhat, depending on how big they are.

ANY load using thyratrons or their SS cousins (SCRs) has already got one hell of a THD problem, and I don't care if it s 1, 3, 5, or more phases. Thyratrons et al chop the wave and create beaucoup harmonics. Nature of the beasts.

Even passive rectified loads cause harmonics (THD) on any phase system. Probably less on 3 phase, just because of the limited "ripple".

Single phase rectified has 100% ripple (voltage and current each go to zero once per half cycle). Three phase has only 14% ripple, since the "valley" between peaks is about 86% of peak.
 








 
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