Which W&S do I want?
Close
Login to Your Account
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 27
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Medina OH
    Posts
    1,775
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    130
    Likes (Received)
    757

    Default Which W&S do I want?

    I know I want one in as nice of shape as I can find, with as much tooling as I can find. There in lies the problem. I can find several W&S's locally, completely stripped.

    More than that I am struggling with what SIZE and MODEL I want. I do mostly small work, I have one potential job about 1/4" diameter about 6in long. I have another 1 1/4 about 3in long with threading. And another 5/8" diameter about 3/8 thick, knurling, bore, OD radius.

    A #1 seems the obvious ticket.

    I am regressing, I've never even seen a W&S running, if I could afford a Mazak QT, I'd be set, but even a used in nice shape is several magnitudes above my available funds.

    I see all these comments about free and cheap W&S's, if you know of one that needs a good home, please let me know. Thanks!

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Upstate NY -In the Flats next to the corn fields
    Posts
    8,974
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    1454
    Likes (Received)
    2409

    Default

    Pick up a 4A with cross sliding turret and threading.
    You'll never regret it.....


  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Houston, TX USA
    Posts
    29,656
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Actually, any one with an A in the model number is a fire breathing brute that stops for nothing - 1A thru the huge 5A

    These are all SADDLE TYPE

    The much smaller and daintier #1 thru #5 are RAM TYPE

    Be aware the smaller have no carriage proper - sometimes just a cut off slide

  4. Likes lathefan liked this post
  5. #4
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Medina OH
    Posts
    1,775
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    130
    Likes (Received)
    757

    Default

    I think a 1A would be as BIG as I want, the book I have lists a 1A at approx 9500lbs? A 4A was close to 15000lbs?

  6. #5
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Houston, TX USA
    Posts
    29,656
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Depends entirely on age.

    1A M3400 weighed 7000 in 1954

    1A in 1934 weighed but 4600
    Last edited by johnoder; 10-30-2016 at 08:48 PM.

  7. Likes lathefan liked this post
  8. #6
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Brunswick Oh USA
    Posts
    4,514
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    5012
    Likes (Received)
    2687

    Default

    Nathaniel
    Where the heck ya been? If you want a real treat, go to Gahr Machine Co. in Cleveland. They have quite an assortment of W/S stuff. They also rebuild to factory specs.
    http://www.gahrmachine.com/contact.htm

  9. Likes digger doug liked this post
  10. #7
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    South Central PA
    Posts
    13,494
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    2205
    Likes (Received)
    3435

    Default

    I'm not a W&S expert, I'm sure there are experts here, but I have had one for a long time and even used it in production, and have looked at quite a few. Having said that, I'll offer my opinion -
    I believe #1s and #2s have turrets and cross slides only. You would do most of your work with the turret and cut off with the cross slide, much like a Hardinge turret lathe. #3 #4 and #5s have full carriages that you can do conventional lathe turning work with. They could be equipped with chucks or collets, with or without bar feeds, and had many options available like leadscrew threading where you replaced the leadscrew to change the thread pitch being cut. Adding options like threading or taper to a machine today is challenging because so much of that has been scrapped so you pretty much need to find a machine already so equipped. Turret tooling is different size for each machine except that some #4s use the same turret tooling as #3s. Collets sizes are different also, except that some #3s had oversize spindles and used the same collets as #4s(I THINK- someone correct me on this). I've never seen a compound rest/feed on a W&S, don't know if there ever was one. #1A through #5As are beasts with large bores and saddles with cross feed under the turret, still used some places for large work.

    I'd suggest a #3 for your described work sizes, maybe a #4, unless you want a smaller machine to use like a hand screw machine. I used the #3 for parts up to 7.5" OD, that just cleared the cross slide.

  11. Likes Ray Behner, digger doug, lathefan liked this post
  12. #8
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Brunswick Oh USA
    Posts
    4,514
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    5012
    Likes (Received)
    2687

    Default

    Well Mud, you may not be an expert, but you know what you're talking about. I used to have #3's for making my product. Easiest to find attachments and accessories for and super dependable and easy to run......all day long.........forever!

  13. Likes lathefan liked this post
  14. #9
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Michigan
    Posts
    9,964
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    3359
    Likes (Received)
    3572

  15. #10
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Michigan
    Posts
    9,964
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    3359
    Likes (Received)
    3572

  16. #11
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Medina OH
    Posts
    1,775
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    130
    Likes (Received)
    757

    Default

    Ray! How ya been! Way over due for a visit. I'll have to come pick your brain about your #3.

    John, I'll have to double check (just loaned my only W&S book) but I obviously was looking at the wrong thing! I think the book I have is much newer, mid 60's or even early 70's as they listed several tape and automatic machines.

    Mud, excellent post! Thank you. It' sounds like, as with most machines, I need to find one setup as I need it. A #3 is much more common and available from my short search.

    I'm hoping I can find someone with a well equipped machine that needs it gone 😄

  17. #12
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Medina OH
    Posts
    1,775
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    130
    Likes (Received)
    757

    Default

    Warner Swasey #3 turret lathe

    How ancient is this?

    What type of spindle mount would these have?

    Weight?

    $1200 I think is wishful thinking, but let me know what you think about it. Tooling is obviously paramount.

  18. #13
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Brunswick Oh USA
    Posts
    4,514
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    5012
    Likes (Received)
    2687

    Default

    Really really OLD! That '85' stamped means the year of 1785. Not really, but you want to look at the No.3 M1200 or newer. Two lever top. It'll have a high/low range and a 3/5hp motor. A lever for almost instant reverse. This one was a line shaft drive originally. It has a 4 speed Drive-All on top. No reverse??

  19. #14
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Coventry RI
    Posts
    1,135
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    1366
    Likes (Received)
    899

    Default

    A friend of mine has two #3's and a #5 he is looking to sell. They are all very well tooled, collets, 3 jaw, bar feeder, turret tooling ect., everything that came with them new. They are in very good/excellent condition, very low hours. They are also all some of the last models produced so they have all the bells and whistles. Pm me for details.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails dscn1540.jpg   dscn1427-1-.jpg   dscn1527.jpg   dscn1543.jpg   dscn1431.jpg  


  20. #15
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Michigan
    Posts
    9,964
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    3359
    Likes (Received)
    3572

  21. #16
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    South Central PA
    Posts
    13,494
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    2205
    Likes (Received)
    3435

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Fal Grunt View Post
    Warner Swasey #3 turret lathe

    How ancient is this?

    What type of spindle mount would these have?
    I saw one like that long ago, it had a threaded spindle. $.03/lb would be too much.

  22. Likes Ray Behner liked this post
  23. #17
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Michigan
    Posts
    9,964
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    3359
    Likes (Received)
    3572

    Default

    But if one had a big heavy job A SW, Gishholt, an Oliver the like could be priceless.
    Sure a big CNC would be better but a lot more bucks.

    One big shop out west is adding CNC and stepping motors the the old girls and making a killing.

  24. #18
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    E-burg MD USA
    Posts
    580
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    3
    Likes (Received)
    95

    Default

    Fal Grunt, sir
    I'm a fan of the #3 m-1200.. Mine is a 1941 creation date with a second serial # supposedly noting a W&S rebuild around 1960 or so.. I got it for a little wheeling and dealing ( 1000 22 mag rds ) As far as I can tell the 1-1/2 turret tooling seems to be the most common and the easiest to come by.. Power usage is not great (5/2.5 hp dual speed motor ). Spindle speeds may be slow for some tastes but I find them more than adequate for what I do ( I use all hss ). Be patience and one will come your way.. HGR has a few pretty reasonable at the moment and gahr/small tools is just down the street.
    Hope this helps
    Stay safe
    Calvin
    Ps the pictures are of my machine and some parts I made on it last week..
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails dscf3946-large-.jpg   dscf3830-large-.jpg  

  25. Likes rustytool, Ray Behner liked this post
  26. #19
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Medina OH
    Posts
    1,775
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    130
    Likes (Received)
    757

    Default

    Love it, that's what I want.

    Can you thread?

    Spindle nose? Looks like a camlock?

    I'm a regular at small tools, I'll pick Bill's brain next I'm there.

    I'm about done dealing with HGR. The last two years have been more and more lies and bullshit and I'm about sick of it. I might run up and see what they have, but I'd rather buy one from a shop with tooling.

  27. #20
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Medina OH
    Posts
    1,775
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    130
    Likes (Received)
    757

    Default

    Derek,

    Tried to PM you, but I'm apparently not smart enough on this new board on my phone.

    I'll try to PM you tonight.


Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •