What's new
What's new

Sourcing Steel tubing in southeast Michigan area

MonkeyDoes

Plastic
Joined
Jan 17, 2012
Location
michigan
Hi guys,

I am in need to take some of my prototypes into production. I believe I need to start a relationship and have a source for the tubing from one manufacturer. I would like to avoid having to tell a tube mill I am currently buying from one of their customer's. So, I would like to go to the source as soon as I can. I have designed my product so that it uses the most readily available tubing there is, so as it would be easier to add on various lengths if it doesn't meet their 5000 foot minimum.

The tubing I am using is currently, 20 to 16 gauge steel tubing. Squares, rounds and rectangles. This will be used for furniture.

I was told that generally tube mills will run lengths (if it does not meet their minimum) that they're going to run for another customer's order.

Now my question is do you guys know of any tube supplier in the southeast Michigan area? I am not afraid to go farther if needed. My next question is how do I know how much I should be paying / how much more I should be paying for smaller quantities.

My last question, is my thinking here right?

Thanks guys.
 
there are plenty of tubing suppliers local in the detroit metro area. some of the guys that supply small qtys are metal mart and the other is speedy. alro will deliver all the tubing you want as well and they are much larger than the first two i mentioned. but you will most likely only want to order full length bars from them. they usually sell tubing in 20 ft lengths.

are you looking for a place to cut it length too or just ship it to you and you cut it?

the best way to find out who is going to gouge you on price is to call each of them and find out what the material costs in how you want to receive it. if you want it precut you may be better off going to a local shop who get regular deliveries and paying them to get your material and then cut it to length for you. we do this for a few customers already since we have established relationships with large metal suppliers.
 
I think its unrealistic to think you are going to be able to buy directly from a mill.

Most mills like to sell at LEAST bundles of 100 sticks (20 footers) of each size at a time.
And even then, usually only to companies that buy multiple bundles every month.
They are happier, of course, selling full 40 foot trailers (40,000lbs or so) at a time.

If you are talking about a few lengths of this, and a few lengths of that, they arent even going to talk to you.

There is wholesale, and then there is retail. At less than truckload quantities, you are buying retail, and will have to buy from the middleman, usually.

A decent sized local distributor will give you discounts on quantity- and will tell you who they are getting the tubing from.
But the steel industry is pretty fluid, and based on price and availability, such that a distributor will usually have a half dozen suppliers they commonly order from. Thus, they may have 2 or 3 different tube suppliers. Find a good local supplier who has good salespeople, who will search out what you want, and order it in if needed. I have had a steelyard like that in three different locations over the years, so I know they are out there. They will tell me what they have in stock, and if I want something specific, they will quote me minimums, plus what shipping would be, and happily order it for me. For instance, I was doing a candlestick for a while that required a 1" OD, 7/8" ID mechanical tubing, and it wasnt stock, but every few months, they would order me in a few sticks of it. I paid a higher cost than for a similar weight stock item, but it was worth it. Now if its something really oddball, you may have to go to a specialist distributor, where ever they may be. I use some 3/16" annealed black round bar on some production pieces- mill minimum is a 10,000 lb or so roll, but I go to Artsons in LA, and they stock all sizes of round and wire from .048 to .500 in bright, black, and galvanized- stuff my local yard hardly even knows exists. They will cut to length and straighten, and ship minimum 100lb orders. There may be some things that you want that are like that- oddball enough that your local guys cant or wont make the minimums, but that there are a couple of guys nationwide who specialize.


I am not in Michigan, and I know things are thicker on the ground out there, but in the west, most of our tube comes from only a few mills, and quality is pretty consistent. But the same mill may not make both square and round, for example- some do, some dont.

I think you are putting the cart before the horse- when your monthly volume gets to a truckload per month, then you can try buying from the mill, but around here anyway, below that, its just not possible, or very practical.
 
tube bending,pipe bending,tube bending fabrication,exhaust tube bending,pipe bending fabrication,bent elbows,Woolf Aircraft Products
----------------------------------



The shop I work at could possibly do it, but it has to be a high production job. 100k+ parts a year...

I have seen you guys alot. I figured from your ad you guys where high volume. I am working to keep the fabrication in house (so I learn something), also our production is currently less than 100k parts a year.

Thanks though.

there are plenty of tubing suppliers local in the detroit metro area. some of the guys that supply small qtys are metal mart and the other is speedy. alro will deliver all the tubing you want as well and they are much larger than the first two i mentioned. but you will most likely only want to order full length bars from them. they usually sell tubing in 20 ft lengths.

are you looking for a place to cut it length too or just ship it to you and you cut it?

the best way to find out who is going to gouge you on price is to call each of them and find out what the material costs in how you want to receive it. if you want it precut you may be better off going to a local shop who get regular deliveries and paying them to get your material and then cut it to length for you. we do this for a few customers already since we have established relationships with large metal suppliers.

Thanks, I didn't think of contacting somebody who buys a regular amount of tubing. I will try to find a shop that does.

I currently buy lengths of tubing from speedy (for prototyping), I have also bought from ALRO. I got quoted on some bundles from ALRO and they just didn't have what I needed (maybe a lazy salesman). I look back into ALRO anyways.

I think its unrealistic to think you are going to be able to buy directly from a mill.

Most mills like to sell at LEAST bundles of 100 sticks (20 footers) of each size at a time.
And even then, usually only to companies that buy multiple bundles every month.
They are happier, of course, selling full 40 foot trailers (40,000lbs or so) at a time.

If you are talking about a few lengths of this, and a few lengths of that, they arent even going to talk to you.

There is wholesale, and then there is retail. At less than truckload quantities, you are buying retail, and will have to buy from the middleman, usually.

A decent sized local distributor will give you discounts on quantity- and will tell you who they are getting the tubing from.
But the steel industry is pretty fluid, and based on price and availability, such that a distributor will usually have a half dozen suppliers they commonly order from. Thus, they may have 2 or 3 different tube suppliers. Find a good local supplier who has good salespeople, who will search out what you want, and order it in if needed. I have had a steelyard like that in three different locations over the years, so I know they are out there. They will tell me what they have in stock, and if I want something specific, they will quote me minimums, plus what shipping would be, and happily order it for me. For instance, I was doing a candlestick for a while that required a 1" OD, 7/8" ID mechanical tubing, and it wasnt stock, but every few months, they would order me in a few sticks of it. I paid a higher cost than for a similar weight stock item, but it was worth it. Now if its something really oddball, you may have to go to a specialist distributor, where ever they may be. I use some 3/16" annealed black round bar on some production pieces- mill minimum is a 10,000 lb or so roll, but I go to Artsons in LA, and they stock all sizes of round and wire from .048 to .500 in bright, black, and galvanized- stuff my local yard hardly even knows exists. They will cut to length and straighten, and ship minimum 100lb orders. There may be some things that you want that are like that- oddball enough that your local guys cant or wont make the minimums, but that there are a couple of guys nationwide who specialize.


I am not in Michigan, and I know things are thicker on the ground out there, but in the west, most of our tube comes from only a few mills, and quality is pretty consistent. But the same mill may not make both square and round, for example- some do, some dont.

I think you are putting the cart before the horse- when your monthly volume gets to a truckload per month, then you can try buying from the mill, but around here anyway, below that, its just not possible, or very practical.

Thanks for the insight. My production would take multiple bundles a month at minimum, as I already have a sure means of selling my product.

I talked to one mill around here and their minimum was 5000 feet. Now, if my product consisted of only one size, which it doesn't that would be workable.

I guess I should have put my production volume more into perspective. It looks like I will be needing 3000 feet of this and 2000 feet of another size. I was wondering if these quantities would be workable for a mill.

Thanks,
Nigel
 








 
Back
Top