TNC151 Serial cable pin outs ?

[zebbguy]

Hi all

im having problems getting transferring data to my tnc151

using TNC Server

i have managed to transfer data from the 151 to the laptop but i cant go the otherway around
i used these pin outs to get it transfer data out - using short circuit handshake
25pin - 9pin
2-2
3-3
4-8
5-7
6-4
7-5
20-6

i purchased this from eBay that didn't work at all -

RS232 (TYPE A) - CNC DNC SERIAL DATA CABLE - FOR HEIDENHAIN TNC 151 MODEL | eBay

RS232 (TYPE A) - CNC DNC SERIAL DATA CABLE - FOR HEIDENHAIN MODEL. Cable support the following models; Acramatic 850 (SX), Amada, Anilam Crusader Bosch CC220 & CC320, Bridgeport Boss. Delta Dynapath, Fargor 80XX Heidenhain Blockwise Protocol, TNC 155, 355, 335, 360, 415,425, 2500 (B/C).

www.ebay.co.uk

any ideas ?

 

[zebbguy]

im using ME / 2400

 

[gustafson]

If it transferred out then the pinout is fine.
Look at the program in notepad and see if there are any stray characters.
what errors are you getting when trying to import?

 

[zebbguy]

Well i have two test programs parts to see if it will import ...

post processor for tnc 151 in fusion 360

001.txt is a .txt file
1001.txt was a .H file but i converted it to .txt so it will attach here

When i tell the machine to input all programs it must send CTR/RTS signal because tnc server starts outputting the program - finishes sending - nothing appears on the tnc 151 screen no errors it just says "data input" until canceled

 

[gustafson]

try input program offered
I know on my machine I have rts cts jumpered

 

[gustafson]

I do not believe the 151 uses block form, delete it
try using a program you write in the control rather than an unknown program to test. It will error with 'wring program data' if there are things that it does not accept

 

[zebbguy]

i have tried to put the program back in that came out it wont work

do you have a small sample program i could try ? file type should be .txt or .H ?

 

[zebbguy]

i have tried reading

 

[zebbguy]

pics as follows ...

1.readout prgm - enter
2.prgm to be read out - ok
3.pgrm recieved by pc - ok
4.prgm ready to send from pc to tnc 151 - 1.H
5.Read in all prgms on tnc - enter
6.showing on screen data input - ok
7.prgm reads out from pc when triggered by tnc151 - pc reads out
8.no change - no program on tnc screen
-----i have to hit delete or it will stay on the screen forever------
9. read out finshed on pc - delete key pressed - no data on tnc151


ive tried receive all programs / program offered / selected program / directory ....

 

[gustafson]

When I opened the little palmtop that I do transfers with to my machine it was set to ME receive only so try send only

 

[gustafson]

Use that one program you have from the machine, it eliminates possible errors

 

[zebbguy]

ok ive tried that no luck
Do you have a home made or purchased cable ?

and what file types are you sending ?

 

[gustafson]

I have a 25 to 25 adapter with the jumpers added. It appears you need that although I would have thought if it went one way it would go both

 

[zebbguy]

Thats what i thought if we could send data it meant that txd , rxd where correct and we had signal ground
if it would raise cts it would also work for rts

 

[zebbguy]

This is the diagram im currently on for wiring the data cable


9 pin -25 pin
2-2
3-3
7-5
8-4
5-7
6-20
4-6

also 9 pin loop 1-6
25 pin loop 8-6

 

[zebbguy]

cheers , i will try this this morning ill let post to let you know how it goes

 

[zebbguy]

I haven't read thru the entire posts, I have a TNC 2500, and use VisualCam. I've read that the 151 is similar. Dont know if the below is helpful, but this is what works with mine. I use VisualCam and the post outputs ISO (not Heidenhain) data (xxx.I file names):

> The machine is always set in ISO mode (I made the button overlay that converts the keypad to ISO, artwork posted here years ago). I have never used the Heidenhain conversational or posted files in heidenain format.
>attached are the pinouts for the serial cable used (I use an old panasonic toughbook with a true serial port and TNC Server) I made the cable with standard D-shell connectors and shielded cable purchased from Digikey or Mouser; the cable is pretty long 25' (if I recall), and seems to work fine. I've also read that sometimes serial to USB converters can cause issues (hence why I use a pc with a true serial port).
>Attached are the TNC Server/machine settings (some are probably different for a 151)
>The (notepad text) program files must start and end with a 3-digit numeric (001-999) " %xxx G70" that matches the file name xxx.I
>I use the "read in external program" from the TNC, and key in the specific xxx file.
>I also use the "test run program" which will tell you if anything is out of travel limits, or some other program issue. I never try to edit things on the control, I either repost it or do minimal tweaks on the text notepad file (I'm not skilled, or patient, enough to do extensive g-code analysis or modifications)
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on the pin sets , when you write 21-25 NC (normally closed) did you solder . join all these together ?
or did you mean No Connection

 

[zebbguy]

on the pin sets , when you write 21-25 NC (normally closed) did you solder . join all these together ?
or did you mean No Connection

no luck with this im afraid i dont thinks its any kind of issue with file type either or it would read "wrong program data"

 

[zebbguy]

i have tried many configurations now resorted to testing though DB9 pin - DB24pin - Amphnol 14 pin for continuity, in order to make sure 100 percent everything is where i think it is

for anyone interested in suicide please feel free to look through the many attachments of extra configurations i have now tried with no luck whatsoever

 

[zebbguy]

I Have decided that there must be a problem inside the controller, and im going to strip it down